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Global Warming
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Disco08 said:
They are going to need a lot more windmills.
BTW your Misses comes from a great country. Absolutely love the Netherlands. 8)
I urge everyone to get their hands on or read as much about "THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE", if you haven't already. It debunks (successfully in my opinion) a lot of the pro global warming theorists. It was aired on Channel 4 over here in the UK a couple of months back.
It's been pretty widely criticized in the scientific community.
Eight of the scientists in the film - John Christy, Paul Reiter, Richard Lindzen, Paul Driessen, Roy Spencer, Patrick Michaels, Fred Singer and Tim Ball - are linked to American neo-conservative and right-wing think-tanks, many of which have received tens of millions of dollars from Exxon
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php
All they're missing is Dr Hovind.
Eight of the scientists in the film - John Christy, Paul Reiter, Richard Lindzen, Paul Driessen, Roy Spencer, Patrick Michaels, Fred Singer and Tim Ball - are linked to American neo-conservative and right-wing think-tanks, many of which have received tens of millions of dollars from Exxon
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_propaganda_the.php
All they're missing is Dr Hovind.
Disco08 said:
Who the hell is a lay person like myself supposed to believe...? If the so called 'scientists' can't agree, there's no chance I ever will. Don't know why but I still err on the sceptics side. I'm sure facts and figures can be manipulated to suit either argument (as with the graph in the above article.)
:don't know
Let's see. Who has more to gain from spreading disingenuous propaganda? The oil companies and their billion dollar profits or the scientists reaching for federal research grants? What do the majority of the world's leading climate experts have to gain from deliberately leading the rest of the world to believe in a fake global warming theory?
The science in it is not very good and as duckman says it involved vested interests.
But it's still worth watching on a socialogical level.It makes some interesting points on the 'hysteria' that has evolved,the hows and whys.Thge politics of 'green' if you like.
Just be careful accepting everything they say on science level.Most of it is not 'peer review'.
But it's still worth watching on a socialogical level.It makes some interesting points on the 'hysteria' that has evolved,the hows and whys.Thge politics of 'green' if you like.
Just be careful accepting everything they say on science level.Most of it is not 'peer review'.
I don't know who the lay person is supposed to believe either. There seems to be a lot of hysteria and doom and gloom over the whole issue - almost like the Apocolypse. 
My suburb isn't that far above sea level, maybe I'll end up with a place near the sea if not under it.
My suburb isn't that far above sea level, maybe I'll end up with a place near the sea if not under it.
evo said:
There are vested interests on both sides. Finanicial on the pro-pollute side and idealogical on the other. We lay people need to filter both, because both are serving up a lot of dodgy info at the moment.
Like the numerous claims of flood waters going up 20m in Sydney and so on. Extremist scale stuff that is too easily debunked and damages the reputation of those looking into a legitimate issue.
Look at it another way. If the scientists are right about global warming and it's causes but not enough is done to reverse the trends because of oil company propaganda, the cost is likely to be catastrophic. Hundreds of millions of people could be turned into refugees. Beyond that no one can really predict just how devastating the effects might be.
On the other hand, if the reverse is true and there is not a real threat but the world changes it's ways because they were deceived by the scientists, the cost is lower pollution, cleaner environments and hundreds of thousands of saved species.
On the other hand, if the reverse is true and there is not a real threat but the world changes it's ways because they were deceived by the scientists, the cost is lower pollution, cleaner environments and hundreds of thousands of saved species.
Tiger74 said:
Agree Tiger74,
While I think the majority of people agree that temperatures are slightly rising, the scale of this slight temperature rise is being blow out of all proportions.
Ice caps melting within 20 years, and they said that 30 years ago....and is LA or New York under water?
No.
The "Ozone shrinking" and the "Greenhouse Effect" were the trendy words back in the 80s and 90s....everyone running around that we're all going to burn and Australia will be uninhabitable, etc....scaremongering propaganda at its best :
All parties having agendas to placate egos and to cushion wallets, whether it be oil-companies or big businesses like GreenPeace Inc.
We have seen, or more accurately, we have scientific proof, that during the history of this planet, we have NATURALLY changed over time.
There was an Ice Age, yet what man-made gases and emisssions caused the planet to heat up to such an extent, that all this ice eventually melted?
None.
It happened NATURALLY, and for all we know now, we are at the very start of a NATURAL era, where the planet will heat up over millions of years, until it becomes unbearable for the human race that we know today to live, but over time, the human race will evolve, just like creatures from the Stone Age, Ice Age, right through to today have survived many extremes.
What we could be experiencing is just the start of a "Heat Age", where all the fighting and bickering over climate change, greenhouse gases, Kyoto agreements, etc aren't worth a pinch of salt against Mother Nature and what she has in store for us over the next few million years.
Liverpool said:Disco08 said:
No Disco.
Should anyone really believe what a politician tells us?
Mr Howard never tells porkie pies, Liverpool!
