Draft Week History - the recent past is better than you might think

[IanG]

100% agree

+2

no doubt at all.

 

[YellowBlacks21]

I don't know if it is money. Money and recuiting are overrated. You could get 10-15 parttimers if you wanted for under 100k.

I think the change was that after the 2005 draft the pushed the rating of Athleticism way down the criteria and the value on Footy Character way up the criteria. We started targetting guys who had played consistenly good football over guys with upside who had shown glimpses. Reiwoldt, Cotchin and Martin want to be AFL players, JON and Cleveland just got swept into the system before they knew what was happening.

We also are now targeting footballers rather than mere athletes.

What I meant to say was that we now actually HAVE a recruiting department whereas pre 2006 we did not have one. Hell we didnt have much of a football department either!

 

[mad_tiggy911]

I hope we re-sign Batchelor asap. It is a little concerning he hasn't done so along with the likes of Conca and Helbig.

 

[RedanTiger]

Since I did a bit of work on alternative draft choices I hope you don't mind if I add a few.

2005
Would also include Ben McKinley (29), Trent West (31) and Sam Gilbert (33)

2006
We did trade picks 8 and 42 for Polak and pick 13 and thus traded out of Ben Reid (8), Nathan Brown (10) and James Frawley (12). We got Jack as the best pick at 13, or even 8.
By taking Edwards we also passed on Chris Dawes (28) and Eric McKenzie (29).
The loss of 42 meant we did not get Houli, Colin Garland (46), Kyle Riemers (47) or Will Schofield (50).

2007
We traded away pick 19 for McMahon and thus missed Selwood, Callan Ward (19), Tayte Pears (23), Tom Collier (25) and Levi Greenwood (32)
We also traded away pick 35 for Morton and missed Scott Thompson (37), Chris Mayne (40) and Dennis Armfield (46).
Taking Putt meant we passed on Brad Dalziell (52) and Cale Hooker (54).
PSD Drafted Gourdis at 1. Missed Stefan Martin (3), Pat McGinnity (7) and Tom Bellchambers (8).
Rookie drafted Collard (delisted early by Port) at 1 and missed Aaron Joseph (2).
Rookied Sylvester at 17. Missed Wonaeamirra (19), Petrenko (25), Cruize Garlett (30) and Jeremy Laidler (32)
Rookied Cartledge at 33. Missed David Ellard (34), Jake Spencer (35), Pearce Hanley (38), Ed Curnow (40)
Rookied Howat at 47. Missed Shane Mumford (57)

2008
We again traded away pick 42 for Thomson and missed Liam Anthony (43), Rory Sloane (44), Rhys Stanley (47), Taylor Hunt (49) and Jordan Lisle (50).
Taking Hislop meant we did not get Tom Rockliff who has shown himself to be on par with first rounders.

I think the biggest problem was trading away picks and not valueing later picks, the PSD or the Rookie draft enough.
This is shown most in 2007 but was there last year with Jakobi, Miller and Hislop.

 

[FitenFitenWin]

Missed Taylor at 51 in 09 as well. Not much appears after him - so probably doesn't affect your rating. I think most posters agreed he was worth the risk at 51 at the time.

 

[HK Tiger]

Agree its an exciting time right now. Think your a bit tough on the rating years when we got Cotchin and Martin who are superstars. Hope we retain Batchelor but I would say if he does not want to stay get a great deal for him now

 

[GoodOne]

Great thread. I agree since 2006 or recruiting has been much much better. Better than the previous 25 years. That's why I think we'll finally be a finals team in the years to come for a SUSTAINED period. Just need to keep doing more of the same with our recruiting.

 

[Streak]

When did Fasolo get his premiership.

when did he show he was a better get than Batchelor?

Fasolo looks OK in a great team. Time will tell on him.

 

[tigs2010]

I retract my earlier statement that Fasolo is ahead of Batchelor. Different players, but on the surface Batch is ahead in almost every stat that matters.
Games 16 to 13
Ave disp per game 12.6 to 11.3
Kicking eff 78.2% to 73.5%
Tackles 49 to 29
1%ers 47 to 11

They are roughly even on dream team point per game, contested possies and marks. But I'd say Batchelor is a better pick up marginally at this stage. I was clouded by Fasolo's GF appearance.

Batchelor *smile* on him lets face it. Fasolo is flashier. The fact Batch is statistically ahead of him in every category there despite playing in a *smile* team and not getting carried is proof we got that one right. Fasolo had 4 touches on the weekend as sub. Not great.

 

[nudge1969]

So far Griff has shown absolutely nothing and Fyfe's an all australian. We cant write Griff off just yet, he has the tools but i am not sure his body will ever be right for afl.

We have to give Griff time. I remember this time last year I had no faith in Vickery, he showed me!! Hope Griff does also. When we picked him up, talent manager Kevin Sheehan said he could be the next 'Plugger'. Just hope his shoulders get stronger and is less injury prone, he could be awesome if he plays to his best ability and gets the right expert training.
Just on another point, as KB said on radio this week, lets hope the tiger players were at the GF to see how physically strong you have to be to win a premiership, get in the gym boys!!

 

[TigerFurious]

Good analysis.

I think the biggest improvement in our drafting has come from our first round picks. Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt, Vickery and possibly even Conca are all very good players who will form the nucleus of our team for years to come. You cannot afford to make mistakes with picks inside the top 10 and over the last five years we haven't. This makes all the difference.

 

[GoodOne]

Batchelor sh!ts on him lets face it. Fasolo is flashier. The fact Batch is statistically ahead of him in every category there despite playing in a sh!t team and not getting carried is proof we got that one right. Fasolo had 4 touches on the weekend as sub. Not great.

Geez a bit tough on Fasolo. 4 touches as sub in a grand final, only on in the last quarter when the rest of his team had given up the chase. Must have been a bit over-awed by the occassion in his 13th game. Also he does play forward so his raw stats aren't going to appear as good as Batchelor who played alot in the backline (you tend to get a few more cheapie kicks). Saying all that I wouldn't swap Batch for Fasolo. Batch is going to become a very fine player.

 

[PBoRSM]

Agree its an exciting time right now. Think your a bit tough on the rating years when we got Cotchin and Martin who are superstars. Hope we retain Batchelor but I would say if he does not want to stay get a great deal for him now

I don't place a lot of weight on the Cotchin draft because he and Kruezer were always going to go 1 and 2. I'm happier we got Cotchin, although Kruezer would be our number 1 ruck by the length of the MCG and may have saved us from what's about to happen, which is that we are about to pay over the odds for an OK ruckman. Still happier with the chimp, but only just.

Martin was a great get at 3, but again he, Scully and Trengrove were the three stand outs in that draft.

I put a lot more weight on getting good players at 30-50 which Geelong, WB, Sydney, WCE, Collingwood (basically all the good sides of the last 10 years) seem to have done. It's the ability of the top players that win the games early in the season you need to make a run at the flag, but it's the ability of the 15th to 25th players on the list that provide the depth to win a flag.

Richmond haven't really got a great track record at getting good players from 30-50, but at least we are keeping the top picks and largely getting them right - so it's a start.

 

[Tigerfan]

It's better than our trade history

2010 Collins – Grigg

2009 Schulz – Farmer & 71
Raines – 44

2008 42 - Thompson

2007 19 - McMahon
35 - Morton

2006 13 & 63 - Polak, 8, 42.

2005

2004 Fiora – Simmonds
Ottens – 12 & 16

2003 6 & 20 – Brown

2002 Torney 2, 18, 32 for Johnson, 12, 28, 41
28 – Blumfield

2001 Bourke - 68
Daffy & 17 - Stafford
49 – Hudson

2000 Harrison – 41
Merenda – 57

1999 37 & 66 – Cameron
7 & McKee – 3 & King
Plapp – 39

1998 8 & 24 – Biddiscombe & Hilton

 

[Sintiger]

Geez a bit tough on Fasolo. 4 touches as sub in a grand final, only on in the last quarter when the rest of his team had given up the chase. Must have been a bit over-awed by the occassion in his 13th game. Also he does play forward so his raw stats aren't going to appear as good as Batchelor who played alot in the backline (you tend to get a few more cheapie kicks). Saying all that I wouldn't swap Batch for Fasolo. Batch is going to become a very fine player.

I agree with this . Fasolo will be a very good player , certainly for the place he was picked .

Batchelor looked like an AFL footballer from his first game . Does everything well and a great size . I thought he might be a bit defensive earlier on but as the year progressed I realised I was wrong on that . He can run and carry as well.

 

[tigs2010]

Geez a bit tough on Fasolo. 4 touches as sub in a grand final, only on in the last quarter when the rest of his team had given up the chase. Must have been a bit over-awed by the occassion in his 13th game. Also he does play forward so his raw stats aren't going to appear as good as Batchelor who played alot in the backline (you tend to get a few more cheapie kicks). Saying all that I wouldn't swap Batch for Fasolo. Batch is going to become a very fine player.

Sorry wasnt saying he was bad. Just saying 4 touches is nothing to write home about if the basis of Fasolo>Batchelor is he played in a grand final. I love Batchelor though. Has had to play in a backline under-siege all year compared to Fasolo playing in a forward line where the ball always is.

 

[SAF]

2007
We traded away pick 19 for McMahon and thus missed Selwood, Callan Ward (19), Tayte Pears (23), Tom Collier (25) and Levi Greenwood (32)
We also traded away pick 35 for Morton and missed Scott Thompson (37), Chris Mayne (40) and Dennis Armfield (46).
Taking Putt meant we passed on Brad Dalziell (52) and Cale Hooker (54).
PSD Drafted Gourdis at 1. Missed Stefan Martin (3), Pat McGinnity (7) and Tom Bellchambers (8).
Rookie drafted Collard (delisted early by Port) at 1 and missed Aaron Joseph (2).
Rookied Sylvester at 17. Missed Wonaeamirra (19), Petrenko (25), Cruize Garlett (30) and Jeremy Laidler (32)
Rookied Cartledge at 33. Missed David Ellard (34), Jake Spencer (35), Pearce Hanley (38), Ed Curnow (40)
Rookied Howat at 47. Missed Shane Mumford (57)

So in 07 we could have had 3 potential ruckmen (Martin, Bellchambers or Mumford). Goes to show it is worth putting at least one big bloke on the list or as a rookie almost every year - they take to time to develop and you have to invest in them for the long term.

 

[Tigerdog]

So in 07 we could have had 3 potential ruckmen (Martin, Bellchambers or Mumford). Goes to show it is worth putting at least one big bloke on the list or as a rookie almost every year - they take to time to develop and you have to invest in them for the long term.

And then when you have too many you have an almost gauranteed 1st round pick coming your way when you offload one.

 

[Maxwell]

Need to do a comparison to the another teams to get an accurate picture, every team has their misses.

I think that we have been an A since Frank took over recruiting, but guys like Cotchin and Martin picked themselves we would never have picked anyone else. I think out development has improved a lot over the time which helps a lot.

 

[clown]

How about grimes?