Danny, you are the weakest link...goodbye

[iLoVeNeWmAn]

Through no fault of his own Danny can't cut it. Some people say the coach can't make a difference. I give you 3 examples of first time coaches in the last 2 years.
Connolly, Worsfold and Roos.
There are everything that Danny is not. Calm, articulate,
confidence building types. The 'P' word (Passion) is never articulated by them. They have plans and quietly go ahead implementing them. They have taken over from 3 ranting and raving coaches and look at the results. Coincidence? I think not.
Who should we get? Well as I said yesterday my long term coach would be the Glove as I believe he has that calmness or quiet passion that is needed. I would have him doing an apprenticeship next year. I f he is unwilling or unable I would go for GOD (Garry O'Donnell) as he seems to fall into the right category. I wouldn't touch Harvey with a bargepole as he seems from the Shaw, Spud background.

Here here CC.

Spot on with your examples of 3 coaches who were in a similiar boat, but who are coming out winners........

I would like to see Lambert as our coach, his apprentership has been first class, was a former Tiger and a classy one at that.

He could even be a player coach the way we're travelling............

 

[ComedyCapers]

Thanks for the reply Jackstar.
If Sydney showed that attitude they would never have recruited Lockett after the Caven bump.
Players are not like most supporters in that the game is far more important to them than the club. This does not mean they don't give 100% to the club while they are there but can serve many clubs equally passionately during their careers.
Barassi retires this years after 50 years in the game. Is he a Melbourne, North Melbourne, Calrton or Swans man?
He is all 4 and the game is richer for it. There are many other examples
Quinlan, Roos, Merrett, Salmon etc.

 

[DragicevicFan]

Don't you think not winning games is loosing members and sponsers.

Tell me one sponsor we have lost in the last 13 weeks?

In actual fact we have picked up new sponsor for next season. Some of these deal have been done in the last 13 weeks.

I am not going to deny the impact our performanes are going to have on membership and crowds but please do not include sponsors. That is one thing this club is currently getting very very right.

Stay tuned for announcements. He silly Gerrard Healy mentioned on MOnday night on 3AW that we were about to announce an new sponsorship that will bring $1 million into the Club

KL

One of my subjects at uni this semester is Sport Sponsorship, and our lecturer was telling us on Monday that TAC will be ending their sponsorship with Richmond at the end of the season.

As much as getting a new guernsey, with the new sponsor logo would be good, TAC have been great and I would prefer to keep them.

Can you give us any info on that??

 

[the claw]

Through no fault of his own Danny can't cut it. Some people say the coach can't make a difference. I give you 3 examples of first time coaches in the last 2 years.
Connolly, Worsfold and Roos.
There are everything that Danny is not. Calm, articulate,
confidence building types. The 'P' word (Passion) is never articulated by them. They have plans and quietly go ahead implementing them. They have taken over from 3 ranting and raving coaches and look at the results. Coincidence? I think not.
Who should we get? Well as I said yesterday my long term coach would be the Glove as I believe he has that calmness or quiet passion that is needed. I would have him doing an apprenticeship next year. I f he is unwilling or unable I would go for GOD (Garry O'Donnell) as he seems to fall into the right category. I wouldn't touch Harvey with a bargepole as he seems from the Shaw, Spud background.

d drum did the ground work at freo & connolly steps in and takes all the credit he speaks like an utter *smile* head has been poor tactically and defends players who arnt up to it worsfold has been good but still has a long way to go hes managed to get the best out of a fair few who needed to make the next step hard to comment on roos as i havent seen much of sydney but he seems to be doing an excellent job. my own feeling is we should get wallace mainly because hes shown he can get the best out of players and doesnt play favorites

 

[Rosy]

shame rosy locked it ........ *sigh*

Don't blame me cos you guys have run out of things to say on that thread. It was only locked for a day. ;D

 

[nwonash]

I am shocked to read the 3 example coaches names of Connolly, Worsfold and Roos who have done a good job.

I was under the impression that some people believed to be a success coach, you must of come from a team that won a priemership.

Out of the 3 examples, only one player has tasted premiership success.

I totally agree with Connolly taking credit from D Drums ground work. Prior to Frawley coming to Richmond, honestly let me Richmond was in a better position ?

I am going to give Frawley until next year (laugh it you will), if we dont make the finals next year, I would then seriously consider not renewing Frawleys contract. (I am not turning am I ?)

 

[Koalalill]

KL

One of my subjects at uni this semester is Sport Sponsorship, and our lecturer was telling us on Monday that TAC will be ending their sponsorship with Richmond at the end of the season.

Can you give us any info on that??

DF,

To borrow part of our sponsors message - your lecturer is a bloody idiot ;D Would love to know where he got that from. Is he a Collingwood supporter perhaps ???

Although not "official" - Ian Campbell has said that the RFC has in principle agreement with the TAC to continue next year and beyond (it was reported in the Age).

Also - have you noticed the "Tiger Patrol" it is covered in the "Drink, Drive, Bloody Idiot" Message. Do you think everyone would go to all that trouble - for the sake of 2 months. Why would the TAC & the RFC be planning joint community programs over summer if the partnership was not going to continue?

So the short answer is: from what I have been told - the TAC will be remaining as our major sponsor

 

[RFC not KFC]

I was under the impression that some people believed to be a success coach, you must of come from a team that won a priemership.

This is one of my favourite topics. None of these blokes can be considered a success as a coach until they have won a flag IMO. At this stage none have so I'll hold judgement. History shows that only 4 coaches in the past 30 years have coached a team to a flag without playing in one themselves. This includes Joyce who was handed a premiership team on a platter. Every so often one will come from out of the blue to prove this theory wrong. As I've pointed out previously premiership coaches have a win loss ratio of over 55% in their first 4 years. Frawley is just over 45%.

He'd have to be the only coach whose IQ is the same as his win loss ratio.

 

[cogs_is_sexy24]

Don't you think not winning games is loosing members and sponsers.

hell yeh...i bet that our memberships are gonna go down next year.

 

[MC24]

This is one of my favourite topics. None of these blokes can be considered a success as a coach until they have won a flag IMO. At this stage none have so I'll hold judgement. History shows that only 4 coaches in the past 30 years have coached a team to a flag without playing in one themselves. This includes Joyce who was handed a premiership team on a platter. Every so often one will come from out of the blue to prove this theory wrong.

RFC not KFC, am I correct in saying that you think it's the Coach who makes the biggest overall difference to a Club?

If so, I beg to differ. I agree that the Coach is important, but the advantage any premiership Coach has is that he has a well run, administered club that provides support in all areas for people to be able to do their job without unnecessary hindrances.

Can anyone honestly say that this has been the type of environment at RFC at any time in the last two decades? I very much doubt it.

It helps if you have a "switched on" coach, but it's not much good if he hasn't got the support around him to help him do his job.

I wonder how Leigh Matthews would have gone coaching Brisbane in its early days?

Danny may never be the Coach that takes us to any real success. However, is it all entirely his doing?

The previous administration took Danny on, for whatever reason. Perhaps the mistake by the current administration was that they didn't do their homework properly and were naïve about the situation they were in. Given the inexperience of the Coach, he would need more support than others, but didn't receive it.

To cut a long story short, we have to do the best we can with the situation we're in, by whatever means are necessary.

You can argue all you like about how successful players make successful coaches, but even though there are not many, there are examples of coaches with no success as players who have been premiership coaches.

The difference being that those Coaches were at well run Clubs.

Give me a well run and administered Club any day, because they will be the first to succeed, super coach or no super coach.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

after many months of supporting spud last sunday,s game was the last straw for me.
why on gods earth would he play negative brand of football in such a meaningless match.id rather get done by 100 playing positive football that what happened last sunday.
while i respect you as a person and you have got the most out of your football career both on and off the field sadly your not going to take this once proud club out of the doldrums.

ps:however i will not degrade spud by calling him dud etc like most spud haters on here do! out of respect for the bloke.

 

[MC24]

On the other hand how long do you persevere and back him with blind faith? Isn't Danny the one who keeps telling us how close the team is each week? If he believes grinding out losses is acceptable he has to cop the flak. There is nobody there making him coach with that philosophy.

I wish I had an answer to that CB. I really do. It frustrates me as much as anybody else. Why can we all see that and no one within the Club can't or won't say anything about it?

Can only make me think that the support around Danny is not what it could be. If he is to continue as Coach, then he will need some experienced guidance from somewhere.

Wish I could do better CB.

 

[MC24]

Or then again maybe it's not the support. Maybe Danny is not what he could be and people are finding excuses trying to cover that fact.

Whichever way it is, you could argue that the mix is not right.

 

[RFC not KFC]

MC24 - You are incorrect in assuming that I believe the coach is the most important role at a club. You are spot on in saying that a well administered club is the basis for success IMO. I would argue that a well administered club would never have appointed Frawley in the first place or that they would keep him given the current situation we face at Richmond. If Frawley and Matthews were to swap positions I'm sure Brisbane would still be looking at the 1944 Fitzroy flag as their last. We only took Frawley on in the first place because no-one else wanted the job. He's had 4 years and as Talking Heads would say "we're on the road to nowhere". He's a bandaid solution when we require major surgery.

 

[MC24]

MC24 - You are incorrect in assuming that I believe the coach is the most important role at a club.

I didn't assume anything RFC not KFC, I asked whether that was the case. I'm a quick learner.

I would argue that a well administered club would never have appointed Frawley in the first place or that they would keep him given the current situation we face at Richmond.

That's the whole reason why we are where we are. We can't attract the right people because the right people wouldn't come anywhere near a shambles.

I know what happens off the field doesn't mean a whole lot to some supporters, but you would have to think that things are looking better than they have for a long time.

And although it's got little to do with the playing side of things, it's a step in the right direction.

 

[Harry]

MC24 - I admire your courage and your stance on backing Danny Fooley - it reminds me of myself when I was bagging the spud earlier on in the year and other posters were opposed to my opinion.

Its the chicken and the egg scenario - what makes a successful club? a good coach or a good administration? What came first, the chicken or the egg? Who knows........no-one woill ever know. But one thing is for certain - Frawely is a dud.

J2R - Welcome aboard ;D

 

[PuntRoadRoar]

Harry, how dare you slam our gr8 coach LOL

i would have prefered if you double slammed that useless loser ;D

 

[MC24]

Its the chicken and the egg scenario - what makes a successful club? a good coach or a good administration? What came first, the chicken or the egg? Who knows........no-one woill ever know.

Whichever way it is Harry, you have to have people working together, not against one another to make it work.

That's the advantage and strength that any successful Clubs have over the rest.

Like all weak Clubs, we see a weakness and focus all our energy in that direction and have many answers for all our problems.

The strong Clubs have the focus of becoming successful and work towards that, as a united force.

I'm sure they have weaknesses too, they just don't let them defeat them as easily as we seem to and think it's the end of the world because of them.

I'm sure we have some strengths too, we're just too busy warring amongst ourselves and worrying about the weakness to know what they are.

 

[RFC not KFC]

MC24 - some things are looking better than they have for a while but there are still some bizarre decisions and comments coming from the club. I hate to say it but down at Tigerland we appear to talk the talk but not walk the walk. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the first step in the right direction will be when Frawley steps through the exit door for the final time.

 

[Rosy]

- it reminds me of myself when I was bagging the spud earlier on in the year and other posters were opposed to my opinion.

Glad you're not a name dropper Harry, ha. :-[

I might have given up my lonely stance of defending Spud like I did all last season, but there's no way I'm getting on the bus with you guys though.