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IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.
Danny Frawley
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Most people with depression already go down that pathway and a pretty large subset don’t benefit from it. Men disproportionately so.
I’m basically just saying more solutions are needed and the ones that work will probably be the ones that cater to the strengths and weaknesses of different types of men, including those who don’t like to open up. It’s a fuzzy topic with plenty of knowledge gaps still remaining, unfortunately.
Hopefully 100 years from know these issues will be thoroughly understood and easily preventable. Until then, we just have to help each other like cavemen sharing fire.
Wasn't specially taking you to task, 123... I'm not saying the pros have all the answers in fact they would be first to admit they don't and are the ones who are in the forefront of doing research and calling on govt and other sections of society to tackle this. Yes part of the solution may be in communal support and the like but still that is part of a structured approach to preventation preferably and treatment.
When Frawley was coach of Richmond, in one of those years, just after the grand final, it was usual to have a membership drive at Punt Road on the Sunday. Little did my wife, kids and myself know that this event was moved to a later date. We arrived there, knew something was wrong and felt disappointed. Until, along came Danny Frawley and a few of the coaching staff straight from running the Tan. He realised the situation and ordered for boxes of footballs to opened and he signed them for us. There were at least 200 supporters. He was dripping wet and stay that way for an hour signing the footballs. That was my only up close contact with Danny. WOW! that memory is a very sweet one, its about a wonderful person who gave to others. Still remember it, clearly in my mind. God bless you my friend. RIP.
If I am ignorant define depression for me? (i already have). You indicate you know something I do not. Waiting..............
Yeah I heard it today. Couldn't tell if they were live playing past shows where they replayed past shows or if they were just replaying everything......if you know what I mean. Maybe the latter given that Lyon sounded a bit cheery.
He always seemed to have a smile and jocular nature.
It just goes to show that the outward demeanor some have isn't a true indication of the inner turmoil they're going through.
I read that he had previously admitted to bouts of depression. I wonder whether he was still undergoing treatment?
I pray that anyone who has a mental illness, or even just experience some down times seeks help. Even if it's just a trusted mate to have a talk with. No one needs to walk alone.
It just goes to show that the outward demeanor some have isn't a true indication of the inner turmoil they're going through.
I read that he had previously admitted to bouts of depression. I wonder whether he was still undergoing treatment?
I pray that anyone who has a mental illness, or even just experience some down times seeks help. Even if it's just a trusted mate to have a talk with. No one needs to walk alone.
The problem with suicide is it's often an impulsive reaction to a temporary situation, with permanent results. People who have survived stepping off a bridge, for example, overwhelmingly report regretting the action immediately. No take-backs, though, unless you get very lucky.
Yes and families, loved ones and friends suffer the pain and anguish of their loss forever.
It's so very sad, as you say, permanent
We're all relieved Daw survived. Just wish it would happen more often. Regrets can save lives.
yes, which is why guns tend to increase suicide rates substantially, as you don't come back from those either. Always make me laugh when Yank pro-gun types reckon suicides shouldn't count towards gun death totals.
You knew Milney Snake? A good bloke similiar to Spud also a pretty handy country footballer captain of Gordon and an old Ballarat mate of Plugger. Lots of people in the circle around Ballarat quite traumatized of the 2 suicides in the past week! Spud also went to Catholic schools in Ballarat and district alot of mates and people wondering if there is a connection with the past abuse!
Little chance Spud was abused, I think. Family's too big, too known. Those rock spiders pick their targets.
That's hogwash it didn't stop the rock spiders abusing coppers sons, kids from big families etc. Spud would have only been a kid from a country family back in those days. Suicide cluster numbering more than 40 in Ballarat all from different types of families who were abused.
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I call bs on that one. What about the people left behind. None of us are experts on this, but at the end of the day, all of us are accountable to our loved
ones. II see it as the easy way out. Just sayin.
After a recent OD fail a friend of mine explained you just want it all (the suffering) to end. Family, friends, partners dont figure in the equation. There's no weighing up of consequences. It's just about ending the pain.
It's not an easy way out. It's the only way out ... as experienced at the time. This is the tragedy of the illness.
There is much truth in what you say, Twenty-Second. Professional help is vital if one is finding it hard to rise above the blackness/darkness.
That said, it is good to have some mates with whom you can be open with about life's woes.
Men do need to learn to become better communicators and to understand and accept that it's really okay to reveal and admit to vulnerabilities.
In my opinion (and just an opinion) the opposite is true and 20-30 years from now society’s attitude on this issue will change. I think we’ll do more good by accepting that lots of men aren’t wired that way, and it is probably harmful to assume otherwise.
Otherwise, the underlying assumption is “it’s your fault for remaining depressed because you’re not a good enough emotional communicator to fix yourself”.
I heard a radio ad yesterday that pressured me into talking to someone and telling me what to say in response to an R U OK question... it made me feel bad because I knew I wouldn’t respond in the “ideal” way they told me too.
So you’ve either gotta completely change the instincts of millions of men... or tailor intervention to better suit those men.
It’s true that some will benefit from talking, so I’m not burying the idea, but many won’t benefit and we shouldn’t blame men for not adjusting because their brains evolved to have larger areas in spatial reasoning and smaller areas in verbal fluency.
Right now, the only healing pathway that exists for depressed men is to go to the doctor, take depression meds, and eventually muster up the courage to talk to a psychologist.... which usually doesn’t work. I think 70% of the time it doesn’t work (mixed between genders) and this number is higher for men.
We don’t need to change men, we just need more treatment options to accommodate them... we already have talking intervention strategies in place and they don’t work very well for men.
Then again society in general is becoming more feminised, so maybe you’ll be right and men will learn to speak up
Ahhhh R U OK day. The flatulent tokenism of seeming.
What would you do if you asked the question of a neighbour or work colleague n the answer came back that he had a gun in his pocket n was about to use it, or was just getting into the car so that he / she could ram it into a pylon at 200kph?
Yeah, Nah. Right mate good for a laugh. Doubt there'd be many who'd actually turn n suddenly admit what they were thinking about to either family, friends or token acquaintances
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