Damien Hardwick

[The_General]

Anyone hear some Bummer moron call in to SEN this morning saying that if they don't get Clarko it would be good to throw the kitchen sink at Dimma? Ok, that's a typical delusion from any Bummer fan, but to have Moron Mince virtually AGREE that it could happen shows what a true idiot this bloke is in football media.

Need I remind you of Ross Lyon. Locked into St Kilda. Loved the place, then Freo made him a godfather offer and shafted Mark Harvey.
Whateley said it could happen. Nothing wrong with that. It could. It may not be likely, but contracts get broken all the time.
Those looking for things wrong with Whateley will find reasons to object with what he says. Barking up the wrong tree here though, nothing wrong with what he said.

 

[TigerForce]

Need I remind you of Ross Lyon. Locked into St Kilda. Loved the place, then Freo made him a godfather offer and shafted Mark Harvey.
Whateley said it could happen. Nothing wrong with that. It could. It may not be likely, but contracts get broken all the time.
Those looking for things wrong with Whateley will find reasons to object with what he says. Barking up the wrong tree here though, nothing wrong with what he said.

So, you really think Dimma would leave us in an instant? Previous to that he called 'nonsense' to a Hawks fan who said Clarko would lose dignity if he joined their strongest rival in the last 40 years.

 

[AngryAnt]

Need I remind you of Ross Lyon. Locked into St Kilda. Loved the place, then Freo made him a godfather offer and shafted Mark Harvey.
Whateley said it could happen. Nothing wrong with that. It could. It may not be likely, but contracts get broken all the time.
Those looking for things wrong with Whateley will find reasons to object with what he says. Barking up the wrong tree here though, nothing wrong with what he said.

It's a possibility but Ross Lyon was a different operator than Dimma - Ross would squeeze every possible ounce of talent and effort out of his squads and didn't have an eye on a build-for-future approach. The best time to win a flag for Ross was right now - and to be fair he was unlucky not to make it with the Aints. Dimma had to do the hard yards, rebuild, experiment and he's got a much stronger relationship with the club.

I think Dimma will leave in the next few years but it will be on good terms.

 

[TigerForce]

It's a possibility but Ross Lyon was a different operator than Dimma - Ross would squeeze every possible ounce of talent and effort out of his squads and didn't have an eye on a build-for-future approach. The best time to win a flag for Ross was right now - and to be fair he was unlucky not to make it with the Aints. Dimma had to do the hard yards, rebuild, experiment and he's got a much stronger relationship with the club.

I think Dimma will leave in the next few years but it will be on good terms.

Yep. Two different characters. If Lyon stayed, I also reckon St Kilda would've won their 2nd flag.

 

[The_General]

Again, Whateley didn't say it would happen. He said it's possible .
I didn't say it's likely, I said the opposite.
You're looking for/hearing what you want to, not judging what is actually being said objectively.
If Hardwick loved the coach so much, he'd have Taken a pay cut to kep his Assistants. I don't begrudge him for getting his, but I believe in agency. In the end of the day, if he had the chance to set up a retirement where he never neededto work again, I think he'd consider it.

 

[TigerForce]

Again, Whateley didn't say it would happen. He said it's possible .
I didn't say it's likely, I said the opposite.
You're looking for/hearing what you want to, not judging what is actually being said objectively.
If Hardwick loved the coach so much, he'd have Taken a pay cut to kep his Assistants. I don't begrudge him for getting his, but I believe in agency. In the end of the day, if he had the chance to set up a retirement where he never neededto work again, I think he'd consider it.

Same meaning?

 

[BillyJean17]

Need I remind you of Ross Lyon. Locked into St Kilda. Loved the place, then Freo made him a godfather offer and shafted Mark Harvey.
Whateley said it could happen. Nothing wrong with that. It could. It may not be likely, but contracts get broken all the time.
Those looking for things wrong with Whateley will find reasons to object with what he says. Barking up the wrong tree here though, nothing wrong with what he said.

Ross Lyon was out of contract for a bit of context

 

[BillyJean17]

Again, Whateley didn't say it would happen. He said it's possible .
I didn't say it's likely, I said the opposite.
You're looking for/hearing what you want to, not judging what is actually being said objectively.
If Hardwick loved the coach so much, he'd have Taken a pay cut to kep his Assistants. I don't begrudge him for getting his, but I believe in agency. In the end of the day, if he had the chance to set up a retirement where he never neededto work again, I think he'd consider it.

Ess last 4 coaches haven’t lasted beyond 3y
Knights
Hird
Wossha
Now rutten
Not what you’d call a dream job
Dimma has an ego like all good coaches do , he’d be aware of the legacy he’s creating at Richmond and has a little way to go yet before he’s in company of Alex Ferguson , he’s on the way though and with soft cap restrictions , clubs can’t come along and slap double what he’s earning on the table , they can but incur a 200% tax

 

[AngryAnt]

Again, Whateley didn't say it would happen. He said it's possible .
I didn't say it's likely, I said the opposite.
You're looking for/hearing what you want to, not judging what is actually being said objectively.
If Hardwick loved the coach so much, he'd have Taken a pay cut to kep his Assistants. I don't begrudge him for getting his, but I believe in agency. In the end of the day, if he had the chance to set up a retirement where he never neededto work again, I think he'd consider it.

yeah of course but I don't think he'd break a contract to do it.

 

[Mycotchinrules]

I remember his laptop not working at an Essendon coach interview. An act of God. Sliding doors!

We should get that laptop company as a sponsor next year.

They don't even need to pay us!

Just for the sh!ts and giggles

 

[The_General]

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Ross Lyon was out of contract for a bit of context

You are incorrect.

Lyon had 12 months left, but used a get out clause.

 

[St Kevin]

Need I remind you of Ross Lyon. Locked into St Kilda. Loved the place, then Freo made him a godfather offer and shafted Mark Harvey.
Whateley said it could happen. Nothing wrong with that. It could. It may not be likely, but contracts get broken all the time.
Those looking for things wrong with Whateley will find reasons to object with what he says. Barking up the wrong tree here though, nothing wrong with what he said.

Lyon didn't break a contract. He got out of his contract via legitimate means.

It could happen, but modern AFL history suggests coaches being poached is highly unlikely. I would say Whateley is very likely to be wrong. Dimma may well leave, but I'd be staggered if it was while he was under contract.

 

[tigers80]

Didn’t Hooch say something a while back about how despite winning a flag at 2 different clubs, he considered Richmond would always be his AFL “home” ? He said something about the longest time, best memories and enjoyment had all been with Richmond.

Neil Balme has DEFINITELY said similar. He flat out said how great it was to be back home to finish his career and that he wanted to be recognised as a Richmond man first and always, no matter what else he may have done at other clubs.

“Hooch”

 

[BillyJean17]

Lyon didn't break a contract. He got out of his contract via legitimate means.

It could happen, but modern AFL history suggests coaches being poached is highly unlikely. I would say Whateley is very likely to be wrong. Dimma may well leave, but I'd be staggered if it was while he was under contract.

Or while we re still making finals , don’t. Mistake us for a year that PA or GWS just had

 

[CarnTheTiges]

If we win the flag this year then they should start building a statue of Dimma outside Punt Rd on the Sunday, because he will be the best coach we have ever had.

 

[The_General]

D

Same meaning?

No.
I think that will happen or would happen vs I think it's a possibility.
Would happen is more decisive, definite.
Possible means there's a potential, but no guarantee.

 

[The_General]

Lyon didn't break a contract. He got out of his contract via legitimate means.

It could happen, but modern AFL history suggests coaches being poached is highly unlikely. I would say Whateley is very likely to be wrong. Dimma may well leave, but I'd be staggered if it was while he was under contract.

Refer above re contract. Yes, he had a legal out so he exercised it to not fulfil the remaining 12 months of a contract. I'd call that a clause that enables you to terminate or break the remaining part of the contract.

As for Whateley, same again. He never said it was likely Dimma would leave (neither have i). He just said it's a possibility. It might be a 1% chance, or a 95% chance, both a possibilities. He can't be wrong. Just people here have a dislike for him and look for things to disagree with him for.

I mean, Dimma left his wife for another woman. He's not exactly proven he's a rusted on, strong believer in until death do us part. Not criticism, there's a multitude of levels of not understanding his personal life that I wouldn't judge him too harshly for. But just the same, I'd have thought a marriage is a harder thing to walk out on than a job. If someone came walking in with a godfather offer, and he thought we were declining, he'd be tempted.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Dimma is the best
Chuck out the rest.
He might have Truck and Little Carcella begging for forgiveness for another chance.

 

[tigertim]

Happy 50th Dimma.

 

[TigerForce]

Refer above re contract. Yes, he had a legal out so he exercised it to not fulfil the remaining 12 months of a contract. I'd call that a clause that enables you to terminate or break the remaining part of the contract.

As for Whateley, same again. He never said it was likely Dimma would leave (neither have i). He just said it's a possibility. It might be a 1% chance, or a 95% chance, both a possibilities. He can't be wrong. Just people here have a dislike for him and look for things to disagree with him for.

I mean, Dimma left his wife for another woman. He's not exactly proven he's a rusted on, strong believer in until death do us part. Not criticism, there's a multitude of levels of not understanding his personal life that I wouldn't judge him too harshly for. But just the same, I'd have thought a marriage is a harder thing to walk out on than a job. If someone came walking in with a godfather offer, and he thought we were declining, he'd be tempted.

My point is that if we were out of the finals 2 years in a row and on decline as Hawks were until Clarko finally left, then I'd agree Dimma would find somewhere else, but we're not, as he clearly states we want to keep refining and playing for finals every season instead of bottoming out. If Whateley can't see this, I'm bewildered. He doesn't care about us, even has a public laugh at us with Richmondy etc. and barely discusses us compared to other teams. This morning, yaps on about his loverboy Carlton club playing a R23 game. It's not a finals game yet. The announcement of Rio signing for 5 years was just a message with nothing else mentioned, and then kept going on about the Carlton v Collingwood rubbish. Nothing to do with like or dislike, I just find his character a bit silly at times.