And 17 only partially isolated - so more like 60 infectious in the community.
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Dr Chant not there today after being made yesterday to publicly acknowledge a death. Has she had enough of Golden Gladys?
It's become impossible for a politician to admit that they made a mistake - it's stupid. The first pollie to admit to a mistake now would probably earn a lot of brownie points from the public!
Yep horrible numbers today and indicates that numbers will continue to rise. 40% of cases were out in the community suggests that either contact tracers have no control over this and aren't notifying close contacts quick enough (due to their workload) or people aren't doing this. The fact that this has risen from between 20-30% to 40% today is not a good sign.
It's worse than that - it's 60 out of 110 infectious in the community with 13 still under investigation.
after being in "lockdown" for 3.5 weeks, how can the percentage of people infectious in the community be so high? its crazy.
Andrews did. on numerous occasions.
Andrews did. on numerous occasions.
Agree there Sin. The might be some replacement, but you are right Covid is far more transmissible and far more deadly than the flu. I think we will end up with a scenario where flu deaths worldwide will decline, but Covid deaths will increase the number so excess deaths of flu / covid will grow. The key is vaccination and then ensuring that hospitals can then cope with ongoing demand from covid / flu. Then we learn to live with it.
I don’t get it. Everything in corporate disaster management says rule 1 is to own it and promise to fix it. And then fix it and learn from it. I get corporations don’t have an opposition riding it to the ground Though.
It’s how life works in so many ways - avoiding repeating mistakes is a huge drive.
the failure to learn in this pandemic shows all the cracks with how we do things. Eg simple stuff like the Vic contact tracing app not showing history. Imagine we could learn from each others best practices to manage a national Issue Vs point out who is better or worse. Ridiculous - should be a federal app that shares data to all health departments. To help all Australians.
I didn’t really appreciate until now how our democracy prevents learning And fractures resources.
I think is what the term "in the community" means.
My understanding is that unless you are told to isolate then you are "in the community". Ie. you are allowed to live normally under current restrictions, you can work if you are an essential worker, you can go to coles etc.
So essentially this is a measure of how much control contact tracing has over the current outbreak, and an increasing proportion of people being in the community means that contact tracers are falling further behind in the volumes of primary and secondary contacts that they need to contact. Unless they can get on top of this, they will not be able to control the spread and logic tells you that the virus will continue to spread.
Gilding the lily a bit their mate. HQ whitewash/inquiry was a disgraceful performance by Andrews and all of the ministers and bureaucrats involved.
I agree he has admitted some mistakes but that inquiry was an absolute joke. Collective amnesia and creeping assumptions...............
Lot of talk here about comparative risk, which is a reasonable topic, but let's get some perspective.
Yes, we lose 1,000 people on the roads each year (nationally) - but it isn't as if we just accept this and do nothing about it. Back in the early 1970s we had a road toll well over 1,000 a year in Victoria alone, remember there were maybe 2.5 million people in Melbourne back then. Action was taken, seat belt laws introduced, breath testing, speed limits reduced, cars are far safer etc. I well remember the campaign to get the road toll down to 899 in Victoria. What is it now, maybe 300?
Life has risks, but we do take action to reduce risk.
COVID has been compared to the 'flu, and it is true that the 'flu causes deaths every year without the response we have had to COVID. But there are many differences. As someone above pointed out, the 'flu tends to be fatal where there are other issues and COVID is like a very bad 'flu pandemic, it does kill more and does overwhelm health systems. The 'flu which went around after WWI is a more apt comparison and that killed millions.
The number in Melbourne is not great, was hoping it would keep going down, oh well, it should turn. NSW much worse, I think they are likely to have to wait a few more days until the more stringent restrictions take hold and hopefully the numbers will come down, but NSW will have to restrict movement for quite a while to get this under control.
DS
Yes, we lose 1,000 people on the roads each year (nationally) - but it isn't as if we just accept this and do nothing about it. Back in the early 1970s we had a road toll well over 1,000 a year in Victoria alone, remember there were maybe 2.5 million people in Melbourne back then. Action was taken, seat belt laws introduced, breath testing, speed limits reduced, cars are far safer etc. I well remember the campaign to get the road toll down to 899 in Victoria. What is it now, maybe 300?
Life has risks, but we do take action to reduce risk.
COVID has been compared to the 'flu, and it is true that the 'flu causes deaths every year without the response we have had to COVID. But there are many differences. As someone above pointed out, the 'flu tends to be fatal where there are other issues and COVID is like a very bad 'flu pandemic, it does kill more and does overwhelm health systems. The 'flu which went around after WWI is a more apt comparison and that killed millions.
The number in Melbourne is not great, was hoping it would keep going down, oh well, it should turn. NSW much worse, I think they are likely to have to wait a few more days until the more stringent restrictions take hold and hopefully the numbers will come down, but NSW will have to restrict movement for quite a while to get this under control.
DS
Send in the Army & take hold of what's going on in Sydney. Gladys has had her chance.
Show some leadership Morrison!!!
Show some leadership Morrison!!!
