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You think SoMo might advise all of Australia to drink Dettol to protect the NSW Gold Standard?
I like reading Lee's contrarian views at times. I don't often agree but that's cool. But I'm genuinely perplexed with his Covid stance. He seems so scared of the virus that he lives a hermit-like life when there is an outbreak in Melbourne. But, he's also vaccine hesitant.
This is a strange stance. I've been on four continents since March 2020 and haven't come across anyone with this view. The people I find who are most scared of the virus are the ones keenest to get jabbed. The ones who don't give a toss about the virus are the least keen to get a vaccine.
Anyway, I'm sure he's still reading the thread and hope he can return sans the abuse he's been throwing recently.
This is a strange stance. I've been on four continents since March 2020 and haven't come across anyone with this view. The people I find who are most scared of the virus are the ones keenest to get jabbed. The ones who don't give a toss about the virus are the least keen to get a vaccine.
Anyway, I'm sure he's still reading the thread and hope he can return sans the abuse he's been throwing recently.
Australians have a 'vaccine passport' to avoid lockdowns and border closures. But we're not using it
Bruce Springsteen gigs, packed football matches and European travel – an app on your phone could unlock them all, but there are no plans yet to use it in Australia.
www.abc.net.au
Some talk here on a way forward. Getting vaccinated is the only way out of this.
Agree 100%. Curiosity is powerful.
my take is that he will have more knowledge about the vaccines in 6-9 months time and the risk of covid infection for him in that time is lower so on an individual level the smart decision is to wait. Curse of the commons though because if everyone on az decides that though it puts opening up back in time.
I hope he can return sans abuse. Full stop. Given or received.
The dripping sarcasm and perjoratives thrown his way as well don’t reflect well on anyone.
I don’t know if I’m stuffing things up. I’ve been trying for a week to book in to get the jab. Have had to wait due to getting the flu shot and other circumstances. Everytime I try on the website to book, it says that no bookings are being taken for the Pfizer jab at the moment. All booked out and no walk ins allowed.
Is this right or am I doing something wrong?
If it’s right then it’s a bit much demanding getting the shot but not making it available
Is this right or am I doing something wrong?
If it’s right then it’s a bit much demanding getting the shot but not making it available
You're not doing anything wrong mate. In Vic, there's no spots for first Pfizer dose yet. Just for already made appointments and second doses.
Keep an eye on the Vic dept of health website for info as more vaccine becomes available.
Plenty of AZ out there though!
doughnut day again in VIC today. that threat from the Sydney Birthday Party/Sandringham dry cleaner appears to have almost passed. We may have got lucky (for once).
last weekend when they had that super spreader birthday party, the limit for visitors at home in NSW was 100. The first thing Victoria does when there is a community transmission case is to limit visitors in homes. This is something we learned from 12 months ago… super spreader house parties was the beginning of the second wave.
Is it me, or are the NSW authorities average media performers? There seems to be a tone of panic in what they say. They don’t rally create a sense of reassurance and/or calm for the community. Kerry Chant is no Brett Sutton. And Hazard lost his sh.it yesterday when he was finally asked some hard questions (probably not used to it).
last weekend when they had that super spreader birthday party, the limit for visitors at home in NSW was 100. The first thing Victoria does when there is a community transmission case is to limit visitors in homes. This is something we learned from 12 months ago… super spreader house parties was the beginning of the second wave.
Is it me, or are the NSW authorities average media performers? There seems to be a tone of panic in what they say. They don’t rally create a sense of reassurance and/or calm for the community. Kerry Chant is no Brett Sutton. And Hazard lost his sh.it yesterday when he was finally asked some hard questions (probably not used to it).
Lee's problem is that
Yeah, if we didn't have Lee there would be no debate really, so I value his input for that aspect.
I think people's motivations to vax/not vax varies of course. My personal motivation is less about concern about catching covid or dying from it as much as if we are all vaccinated, vulnerable people will be more protected and life can go back to (semi) normal sooner. And I'd say many of those who don't care about getting vaxxed equally don't care about vulnerable people in society - "i'm fit and those that die usually had co-morbidities, or were old and have already lived full lives", as if that matters. I leave out the nutjobs who think it's Bill Gates and Soros, or the hardcore antivaxxers. No point even engaging those types.
Yeah, if we didn't have Lee there would be no debate really, so I value his input for that aspect.
I think people's motivations to vax/not vax varies of course. My personal motivation is less about concern about catching covid or dying from it as much as if we are all vaccinated, vulnerable people will be more protected and life can go back to (semi) normal sooner. And I'd say many of those who don't care about getting vaxxed equally don't care about vulnerable people in society - "i'm fit and those that die usually had co-morbidities, or were old and have already lived full lives", as if that matters. I leave out the nutjobs who think it's Bill Gates and Soros, or the hardcore antivaxxers. No point even engaging those types.
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His individual choice is his individual choice, up to him. The curse of the commons is a good analogy but I'd put it more strongly - Lee is a guy who was scathing about expats returning home as they were endangering lives and the economy - but refuses to acknowledge the importance of mass vaccination for the benefit of vulnerable or the economy. Or at least he grudgingly acknowledges it but then flips back to the "vax is low priority" position again. That's hypocritical.
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Ok I took it as the government by its actions has made Vax a low priority.
I think silence on the impact to society of people vaccinating later.
Although we don’t know you would think it will push back opening up by months.
ScoMo's policy is to not do something that can be pinned on him from now out to the election. If the polls say most Australians want borders open, he'll open.
Wasn't long ago the Government released a media ad announcing the "agreement" to purchase more Pfizer and a Liberal party logo prominently on the page. Not sure they'll do that again in a hurry
Yeah, he was always very careful to muddy the waters as to what the official government position was and what he believed. Obfuscation is his go-to-strategy.
Anyway, he's out of the thread now so I won't waste any more time discussing his ideas.
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‘It’s horrible’: Australia’s India comparison
The Harvard-trained epidemiologist who predicted — before anybody else in the world — that covid would devastate communities as it spread from Wuhan has delivered a sobering analysis of Australia’s position.
www.news.com.au
Indonesia, a developing country of 300 million has fully vaccinated the same percentage of people as Australia has. That's not a good look for us.
