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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Need to be ultra-diligent on travellers returning from o/s and enforce strict quarantine. There's too much at stake to be left to trust.
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What's the current situation with returning travellers? Are they locked up and quarantined? and who is doing the security? This is where it can all stuff up again.
 
Ridley said:
Yes we have come so far. We can not blow it again.
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Andrews would be well aware of this.

I think he's still a fair chance to get re-elected (partly due to going up against the unelectable Michael O'Brien) but if we stuff this up again, then its done. He could be up against Rolf Harris or George Pell and he'd still lose.
 
Harry said:
What's the current situation with returning travellers? Are they locked up and quarantined? and who is doing the security? This is where it can all stuff up again.
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Pretty sure we still aren't accepting International travellers in VIC.
 
Harry said:
What's the current situation with returning travellers? Are they locked up and quarantined? and who is doing the security? This is where it can all stuff up again.
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Victoria is not currently taking international travellers. When we do start taking them, the quarantine must be extremely robust and water tight. If they go back to a supposedly improved version of the hotel quarantine program then the authorities are *smile* idiots to put it mildly.

We should have a dedicated quarantine facility or facilities which are for returning travellers only; no other guests. Something like a little used military base or a camp where people can get outside for fresh air and exercise but still be quarantined properly. They can only leave the facility with a negative test after a minimum 14 day period of quarantine.

No half arsed measures. No untrained so called security guards. No allowing a refusal of a COVID test; no test no release. And if you refuse a test you get billed for your accommodation. No mixing with the general public and creating another deadly wave.

Enough is enough. People obviously can't be trusted to do the right thing so treat them accordingly. Make them sign a binding agreement on the arrival card on the plane. If they refuse detain them at the airport and send them back from whence they came.
 
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Belgium airlifting patients to Germany because they've run out of ICU beds with ventilators. Sweden looks like going into a lockdown of sorts.
We should thank our lucky stars for living here.
 
Ridley said:
Victoria is not currently taking international travellers. When we do start taking them, the quarantine must be extremely robust and water tight. If they go back to a supposedly improved version of the hotel quarantine program then the authorities are *smile* idiots to put it mildly.

We should have a dedicated quarantine facility or facilities which are for returning travellers only; no other guests. Something like a little used military base or a camp where people can get outside for fresh air and exercise but still be quarantined properly. They can only leave the facility with a negative test after a minimum 14 day period of quarantine.

No half arsed measures. No untrained so called security guards. No allowing a refusal of a COVID test; no test no release. And if you refuse a test you get billed for your accommodation. No mixing with the general public and creating another deadly wave.

Enough is enough. People obviously can't be trusted to do the right thing so treat them accordingly. Make them sign a binding agreement on the arrival card on the plane. If they refuse detain them at the airport and send them back from whence they came.
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Haven't heard anything about how the Howard Springs facility is working. Must have been 4 or 5 flights arrived by now so 600-800 people in there by now.
 
Ridley said:
Victoria is not currently taking international travellers. When we do start taking them, the quarantine must be extremely robust and water tight. If they go back to a supposedly improved version of the hotel quarantine program then the authorities are *smile* idiots to put it mildly.

We should have a dedicated quarantine facility or facilities which are for returning travellers only; no other guests. Something like a little used military base or a camp where people can get outside for fresh air and exercise but still be quarantined properly. They can only leave the facility with a negative test after a minimum 14 day period of quarantine.

No half arsed measures. No untrained so called security guards. No allowing a refusal of a COVID test; no test no release. And if you refuse a test you get billed for your accommodation. No mixing with the general public and creating another deadly wave.

Enough is enough. People obviously can't be trusted to do the right thing so treat them accordingly. Make them sign a binding agreement on the arrival card on the plane. If they refuse detain them at the airport and send them back from whence they came.
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Althom said:
Haven't heard anything about how the Howard Springs facility is working. Must have been 4 or 5 flights arrived by now so 600-800 people in there by now.
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I think something like a mini Howard Springs Facility on Federally owned land adjacent to our major international airports would be the ideal. Those types of demountable villages can be built surprisingly quickly. It means very minimal contact with the general populace even in terms of being transported to a facility elsewhere.
 
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Panthera Tigris said:
I think something like a mini Howard Springs Facility on Federally owned land adjacent to our major international airports would be the ideal. Those types of demountable villages can be built surprisingly quickly. It means very minimal contact with the general populace even in terms of being transported to a facility elsewhere.
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Plenty of empty mining camps available in WA. Doesn't take much to relocate them. Just need someone willing to do the right thing
 
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Panthera Tigris said:
I was torn on this previously. But with further reading lately, I am more leaning towards the story that they need us more than we need them - in the long term that is. And they know it. Hence why they're trying to twist our arm around our back into submission now.

There are murmurs that certain factions within the CCP are not entirely happy with the hard lined tactics being aimed at middle powers of the likes of Australia and Canada. For the very reason that they see it as a risky gamble. From a CCP perspective sure, it pays off and we blink first. But there is some concern from this faction that it comes back to bite them on the arse longer term if the short term gamble doesn't pay off. Just remember, over the longer term many of these countries that you mention will be undergoing enormous development themselves, with huge populations. So there will be some competition for those resources domestically.

But like you hint at, another part of the strategy is playing all these smaller to middle powers off against each other. For instance, for all the fawning over St. Jacinta and what a "strong woman leader" she is (such as over COVID and the Christchurch attacks) her and her leadership team have proven just as clueless as our idiot political class and probably even more susceptible to bending at the knee to the CCP whims. So they will gladly rush in and sell their premium agricultural produce to China, while self righteously finger waving and tutting us for being so rude to their CCP frenemies.

But again, this all comes back to CCP strategic, tactical nous. Right wingers (in the economically liberal mould in leadership here in Australia) are easily bought. They are simply blinded by the $$. They'll sell their soul - and country - for personal (or their mates') monetary gain. While the left wingers of the likes of Ardern (and some in the left faction of the ALP here in Australia) have a default position of hating the status quo. So US hegemony in the case of foreign policy is something they detest. This lends them to the tendency to do anything to see the status quo they dislike undermined and unraveled. And leads them to the foolish, mistaken belief that their "enemy's enemy is their friend" for want of a better description. The CCP has identified these weaknesses in both the left and right side of western political order and uses these as tools against us.
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Bans on wheat, cotton, vegetables and fruit, pharmaceuticals, financial services, finished timber products from next Monday apparently.
 
0 new cases, this is looking good.

All the averages are way down:
5 Day Centred average (1 Nov): 0.0!
7 Day Trailing average: 0.57
14 Day Trailing average: 1.71

But once we let in international travellers it is going to be a whole lot more difficult. Quarantine camps thanks, not hotels in the middle of the city.

DS
 
Althom said:
Bans on wheat, cotton, vegetables and fruit, pharmaceuticals, financial services, finished timber products from next Monday apparently.
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Yep send our farmers to the wall now. Source agricultural produce elsewhere for a few years (medium term), then buy up our businesses at bargain basement prices (once they are broke) to shore up long term food security. That's the tactical play here.
 
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DavidSSS said:
0 new cases, this is looking good.

All the averages are way down:
5 Day Centred average (1 Nov): 0.0!
7 Day Trailing average: 0.57
14 Day Trailing average: 1.71

But once we let in international travellers it is going to be a whole lot more difficult. Quarantine camps thanks, not hotels in the middle of the city.

DS
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Yep unfortunately returning travellers will have to be completely locked up for at least 14 days.
 
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mrposhman said:
Andrews would be well aware of this.

I think he's still a fair chance to get re-elected (partly due to going up against the unelectable Michael O'Brien) but if we stuff this up again, then its done. He could be up against Rolf Harris or George Pell and he'd still lose.
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No I think Dan could win in the middle of a third wave. he has an amazing knack of delivering what people value. In this case reducing the cases ... Most people are more concerned with the outcome than the cause, and as many Belive it was not his fault.
 
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