It was even better, he was late because he was at the daily press conference being held up by the same journalists
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It was even better, he was late because he was at the daily press conference being held up by the same journalists
Think I would rather see him in the meetings he should be in than at a press conference for the 200th day. Either that or send a deputy, like anyone else in a senior position does when they have to be in two places at once.
And if you don't want journalists to hold up what I think is the more important work of the CHO then he should just issue a press release. Journalists aren't there to take dictation.
Yeh dan doesn’t need to front the press every day, I’m sure his time could be more usefully spent and you would find they would be a lot shorter with less hacks looking for gotcha moments. I’d rather he spend the extra 2 hours every day working.
On the security guard thing....I am more interested in why it didn't work in two hotels but 10 others seemed to be ok. What were the differences in procedures and controls, if any? The answers would be illuminating to me. Was there a single lapse or several?
Same with aged care and hospitals....why did only some care centres get cases? Why were some able to contain them? Why did it go completely off the rails in others? In private groups that were cutting corners across multiple sites why didn't every one of their centres have breakouts ie how did some get through without nurses and PPE?
Same with hospitals....would expect that all being state controlled, unlimited budgets and doctors in charge and well resourced nursing rosters that they should have been well buttressed...again some kept the virus out, others didn't.
Simply finding out who approved something doesn't answer these questions.
Same with aged care and hospitals....why did only some care centres get cases? Why were some able to contain them? Why did it go completely off the rails in others? In private groups that were cutting corners across multiple sites why didn't every one of their centres have breakouts ie how did some get through without nurses and PPE?
Same with hospitals....would expect that all being state controlled, unlimited budgets and doctors in charge and well resourced nursing rosters that they should have been well buttressed...again some kept the virus out, others didn't.
Simply finding out who approved something doesn't answer these questions.
Been my thinking for weeks. I would be far more engaged with his message if he came up to the podium twice a week say. Even in WW2 I am guessing Curtin or Churchill didn't front the media every day. And these days they can still easily communicate. Premier is rumoured to have 200 media staff, rivalled only by AFL media....
I read something today that pointed to there being 3 super-spreaders from the hotel quarantine, just 3. No wonder this thing gets out of control so quickly.
Just as an anecdote, one of my partner's siblings is in hospital and another sibling is coming over from interstate, although they don't really understand that the restrictions are such that they won't be visiting in the hospital (people from other states have no idea). Anyway the visiting sibling is bringing kids and the grandparents in law said they could drop the kids around during the day. Say what? They can't drop the kids off during the day, that is precisely how this bloody thing spreads. How do people either not get the rules or just ignore them like this? It is truly astounding.
Bit like wearing a mask not covering the nose mentioned above - wearing a mask and not covering the nose is useless, it is the same as not wearing the mask. Masks do appear to be effective, can't see the mask rules being lifted for a long time to be honest.
The numbers are heading in the right direction at the moment, here's how it looks:
By the numbers:
Looking a lot better.
Still, won't be able to have my daughter around for the Grand Final
DS
Just as an anecdote, one of my partner's siblings is in hospital and another sibling is coming over from interstate, although they don't really understand that the restrictions are such that they won't be visiting in the hospital (people from other states have no idea). Anyway the visiting sibling is bringing kids and the grandparents in law said they could drop the kids around during the day. Say what? They can't drop the kids off during the day, that is precisely how this bloody thing spreads. How do people either not get the rules or just ignore them like this? It is truly astounding.
Bit like wearing a mask not covering the nose mentioned above - wearing a mask and not covering the nose is useless, it is the same as not wearing the mask. Masks do appear to be effective, can't see the mask rules being lifted for a long time to be honest.
The numbers are heading in the right direction at the moment, here's how it looks:
By the numbers:
| Date | New Infections | 7 Day Trailing ave | 5 Day Centred ave | 14 Day Trailing ave |
| 11 October 2020 | 14 | 11.14 | 11.20 | 10.21 |
| 12 October 2020 | 11 | 10.71 | 9.60 | 10.36 |
| 13 October 2020 | 5 | 10.71 | 7.60 | 10.00 |
| 14 October 2020 | 6 | 10.29 | 5.00 | 9.43 |
| 15 October 2020 | 2 | 9.14 | 3.20 | 9.21 |
| 16 October 2020 | 1 | 7.29 | 8.64 | |
| 17 October 2020 | 2 | 5.86 | 8.07 |
Looking a lot better.
Still, won't be able to have my daughter around for the Grand Final
DS
It comes down to who gets infected, some people become super spreaders due to their own personal circumstances and physiology I guess. There have been quite a few articles from epidemiologists talking about this. Clearly infection control also plays a large part but it is possible that a person gets infected and doesn't infect anyone else. IMO the decision on the security guards is almost completely irrelevant, infection control and contact tracing were the major factors, and they go back to DHHS being a basket case for a long long time.
Where on earth did you get the idea that public hospitals had unlimited budgets?
Unlimited as in no compromise in what was needed to be spent to implement the necessary COVID protections? Or not?
And why I think the analysis is needed is that at some time in 2021 we are going to have to start accepting arrivals even if it is just Australian citizens, so we must have full confidence in quarantine protocols. Equally we need to keep aged care and hospitals as prepared as possible so that any small community outbreaks don't infiltrate those vulnerable locations.
I'm sure it's being done by hospitals and PS depts, but I wonder if any thing will made public.
You can throw all the money you like at it but if the PPE is not available or the ICU equipment is not immediately available then it will take time. There Is also not an unlimited supply of qualified doctors and nurses out there. Money does not equal the resources, those resources have to be available.
I have said a few times on here that the number of infections we have had in hospitals, given how infectious this thing is and how hospital are the places which are the highest risk, is very low by any standard. There have been outbreaks but very low numbers of staff catching it from patients and vice versa. Asymptomatic infectious staff catching it elsewhere has been the biggest issue. Outbreaks in hospitals have also been managed very quickly.
Aged care is a whole other issue.
There was lots of evidence in the inquiry about those hotels that didn’t have a problem. That didn’t get reported much because it doesn’t make a juicy headline
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I still think quarantine should be in a dedicated facility, not hotels in the city.
Good, isolated, quarantine, just outside Melbourne with fly in fly out staffing and I reckon we could open up the borders with little chance of infection. Plus, we test those who come out of quarantine one and two weeks after they leave and we trace their contacts after they have left the quarantine.
DS
Good, isolated, quarantine, just outside Melbourne with fly in fly out staffing and I reckon we could open up the borders with little chance of infection. Plus, we test those who come out of quarantine one and two weeks after they leave and we trace their contacts after they have left the quarantine.
DS
I did read somewhere that the Feds were considering a quarantine facility near Darwin.
I keep reading this term and it is not correct. There are not super spreaders there are super spreading events. Not sure why you and David continue to post this misinformation.
Dan has done the right thing not allowing grand final parties. People would likely flout the numbers, be drinking, be indoors almost the whole time (it’s at night) and be drinking so social distancing would go out the window.
I think thats just a matter of semantics, there are super spreading events and super spreaders.
Yes. It is not clear how many security guards got infected but it wasn't many. The issue wasn't so much the security guards as what happened next which as you say was a mixture of infection prevention/PPE/training at the hotels and then contact tracing thereafter. Not just the contact tracing protocols but also the fact that some infected people did not cooperate.
Behind all this stuff around security guards is an assumption that police or the ADF would have done better. Maybe they would have in some ways but to me that is by no means certain because those organisations know little or nothing about infection control as well, what would have been different is that if they were infected they would have been isolated and would have cooperated.
I don't think he needs to either and we would all be better off if he stopped imo.
As an aside I thought he looked terrible yesterday, exhausted.
Numbers seem to be staying low, but we'll see when we start getting weekday numbers again tomorrow.
I agree in the Grand Final parties, would be very likely to increase the spread. We have it down now so let's keep it that way. Indoors at a friend's/relative's house is where the mask comes off and people are close for long periods.
Here's what it is looking like now:
Plus some numbers:
Heard Norman Swan on the radio this morning, we are the only country to have had an outbreak of 700 a day and then got it down to single figures. We're doing ok but opening up and then sorting out travel into Australia and even travel for Australians going overseas looks like it is going to be a very difficult issue.
DS
I agree in the Grand Final parties, would be very likely to increase the spread. We have it down now so let's keep it that way. Indoors at a friend's/relative's house is where the mask comes off and people are close for long periods.
Here's what it is looking like now:
Plus some numbers:
| Date | New Infections | 7 Day Trailing ave | 5 Day Centred ave | 14 Day Trailing ave |
| 12 October 2020 | 11 | 10.57 | 9.40 | 10.29 |
| 13 October 2020 | 5 | 10.57 | 7.60 | 9.93 |
| 14 October 2020 | 6 | 10.14 | 5.00 | 9.36 |
| 15 October 2020 | 2 | 9.00 | 3.20 | 9.14 |
| 16 October 2020 | 1 | 7.14 | 3.00 | 8.57 |
| 17 October 2020 | 2 | 5.86 | 8.00 | |
| 18 October 2020 | 4 | 4.43 | 7.71 |
Heard Norman Swan on the radio this morning, we are the only country to have had an outbreak of 700 a day and then got it down to single figures. We're doing ok but opening up and then sorting out travel into Australia and even travel for Australians going overseas looks like it is going to be a very difficult issue.
DS
I think that is Howard Springs, which is currently being used. The suggestion is that the capacity could be increased.
