Coronavirus

[DavidSSS]

No the Government does not have an excuse.

They should have gone down the path of using the ADF like all the other states.

As I said before - jobs for the boys.

Note my words: excuse, not to be confused with "convincing explanation which absolves them of all responsibility".

Not jobs for the boys either, I wonder if the Health Department just followed their standard operating procedure from the days of privatising everything and automatically went for the private contractor?

DS

 

[caesar]

Note my words: excuse, not to be confused with "convincing explanation which absolves them of all responsibility".

Not jobs for the boys either, I wonder if the Health Department just followed their standard operating procedure from the days of privatising everything and automatically went for the private contractor?

DS

I thought I read somewhere that someone was taking responsibility for the stuff up looks like they are doing pass the buck just like the Ruby Princess:

Chief Health Officer distances himself from security call as state records 77 new cases

The state's Chief Health Officer says it wasn't his decision to use private security firms to guard Melbourne's quarantine hotels, as Victoria recorded 77 new COVID-19 cases.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Baloo]

I was looking for that one. Thanks Bad News Bear

I was more surprised about the suicide numbers. Didn't realise they were #1 in the world until this pesky little harmless flu arrived

 

[eZyT]

This hotel security quarantine shemozzle has a whiff of the "pink batts" about it, very poorly controlled.

Kind of.

One kept your house warm in winter,

The other kept you in your house?

 

[Althom]

Wilson security are a pretty well renowned outfit, not some dodgy bros. The LNP use them plenty themselves.
Surely their protocols should be under the most scrutiny here?

The guard who was interviewed this morning said he was inducted by a bloke who normally runs the carpark side of Wilsons and that they hired in a whole lot of subbies. Most likely blokes whose previous experience was looking after the shopping trollies at Woolies. Dodgy as and they obviously thought they'd get away with it.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Note my words: excuse, not to be confused with "convincing explanation which absolves them of all responsibility".

Not jobs for the boys either, I wonder if the Health Department just followed their standard operating procedure from the days of privatising everything and automatically went for the private contractor?

DS

The decision to go with the ADF by other states was discussed at the National Cabinet. Why else would Andrews move away from this?
Regardless they are all now trying to pass the buck and the common folk are paying the price.

 

[MD Jazz]

I thought I read somewhere that someone was taking responsibility for the stuff up looks like they are doing pass the buck just like the Ruby Princess:

Chief Health Officer distances himself from security call as state records 77 new cases

The state's Chief Health Officer says it wasn't his decision to use private security firms to guard Melbourne's quarantine hotels, as Victoria recorded 77 new COVID-19 cases.

www.theage.com.au

Funny, recall many saying Sutton was the best CHO in Aust as he was an expert in public health and disease. That the reason we had tighter restrictions was because he knew what he was doing. He was the virus expert. Personally think the buck stops with him more than Andrews. And also his deputy Annaliese offensive name. They would have been overseeing the quarantine program.

Unfortunately the end result will be the taxpayer funding higher costs for future similar programs due to increased regulation requirements. Perhaps they just need to engage people with common sense in the first place.

 

[Baloo]

I doubt the CHO would have a say in the decision to use a private security firm or the ADF. Not within his remit.

Whoever decided to do it in the government wears this. Sure the security companies cut corners but that was to be expected. They would never have that many properly trained guards on their books ready to deploy in an instant. If the gov contract didn't stipulate exactly what qualifications, experience and handling of the quarantined, then it's a politician's head on the line.

 

[Sintiger]

I doubt the CHO would have a say in the decision to use a private security firm or the ADF. Not within his remit.

Whoever decided to do it in the government wears this. Sure the security companies cut corners but that was to be expected. They would never have that many properly trained guards on their books ready to deploy in an instant. If the gov contract didn't stipulate exactly what qualifications, experience and handling of the quarantined, then it's a politician's head on the line.

You are 100% correct Baloo . The way the DHHS is organised these decisions would not be taken by the CHO but the bureaucracy in the Health department.
I’m not trying to defend the politicians but Andrews and Mikakos would rely on DHHS to do this and manage it properly . That was their mistake

 

[IanG]

Funny, recall many saying Sutton was the best CHO in Aust as he was an expert in public health and disease. That the reason we had tighter restrictions was because he knew what he was doing. He was the virus expert. Personally think the buck stops with him more than Andrews. And also his deputy Annaliese offensive name. They would have been overseeing the quarantine program.

Unfortunately the end result will be the taxpayer funding higher costs for future similar programs due to increased regulation requirements. Perhaps they just need to engage people with common sense in the first place.

What has hiring security got to do with Sutton?

 

[Sintiger]

Funny, recall many saying Sutton was the best CHO in Aust as he was an expert in public health and disease. That the reason we had tighter restrictions was because he knew what he was doing. He was the virus expert. Personally think the buck stops with him more than Andrews. And also his deputy Annaliese offensive name. They would have been overseeing the quarantine program.

Unfortunately the end result will be the taxpayer funding higher costs for future similar programs due to increased regulation requirements. Perhaps they just need to engage people with common sense in the first place.

Sorry MDJ but this is a post from someone who clearly doesn’t understand how the Dept Health is organised and what CHOs actually do and don’t do.
He said today that he has no involvement in the hotel quarantine program and he said it because it’s the truth.
We should blame someone but we shouldn’t blame the wrong person/ people.

 

[Ridley]

We should blame someone but we shouldn’t blame the wrong person/ people.

The Premier and the Health Minister are the people who should wear this. Full stop.

 

[MD Jazz]

Sorry MDJ but this is a post from someone who clearly doesn’t understand how the Dept Health is organised and what CHOs actually do and don’t do.
He said today that he has no involvement in the hotel quarantine program and he said it because it’s the truth.
We should blame someone but we shouldn’t blame the wrong person/ people.

I'm not saying he was googling security firms. But to say he has no responsibility for the cluster *smile* that is quarantining is ridiculous.

He is the CHO for the state. He is a virus & public health expert. We were reminded of that on this thread. We are in the biggest public health crisis in our history. It has brought the country to a standstill. He is on the news every day giving updates. We have various programs running (restrictions/testing/quarantine etc) I assume under his leadership. As part of his updates he explained clearly and often how dangerous golfing & fishing were. We wee constantly reminded how selfish we were for wanting to participate He was all over that. Perhaps he should have been a little more concerned about managing those people who actually had the virus.

 

[Brodders17]

Funny, recall many saying Sutton was the best CHO in Aust as he was an expert in public health and disease. That the reason we had tighter restrictions was because he knew what he was doing. He was the virus expert. Personally think the buck stops with him more than Andrews. And also his deputy Annaliese offensive name. They would have been overseeing the quarantine program.

Unfortunately the end result will be the taxpayer funding higher costs for future similar programs due to increased regulation requirements. Perhaps they just need to engage people with common sense in the first place.

Stop trying to deflect from the real issue.
Numbers were going down. Golf was allowed and since then numbers have sky rocketed. the correlation is clear.
and i think you, and Sam Newman, are to blame.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

It's patently clear that the current debacle was caused by golfers hiring protesters masquerading as security guards and their subsequent indulgence in shopping sprees followed by religious feasting and orgies. Dan and his branch-stacking redshirts were busy defending Cook's Cottage in a safe postcode and are beyond suspicion.

 

[AngryAnt]

I'm not saying he was googling security firms. But to say he has no responsibility for the cluster *smile* that is quarantining is ridiculous.

He is the CHO for the state. He is a virus & public health expert. We were reminded of that on this thread. We are in the biggest public health crisis in our history. It has brought the country to a standstill. He is on the news every day giving updates. We have various programs running (restrictions/testing/quarantine etc) I assume under his leadership. As part of his updates he explained clearly and often how dangerous golfing & fishing were. We wee constantly reminded how selfish we were for wanting to participate He was all over that. Perhaps he should have been a little more concerned about managing those people who actually had the virus.

you really love golf don't you

 

[Tigers of Old]

Thought this graph re demographics in Victoria was interesting. Most cases are in under 30s..
I still question the logic of having schools open.

 

[spook]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278789442501701632

 

[YinnarTiger]

It's patently clear that the current debacle was caused by golfers hiring protesters masquerading as security guards and their subsequent indulgence in shopping sprees followed by religious feasting and orgies. Dan and his branch-stacking redshirts were busy defending Cook's Cottage in a safe postcode and are beyond suspicion.

Bit hyperbolic to accuse Dan of defending Captain Cook.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Bit hyperbolic to accuse Dan of defending Captain Cook.

Well he might've been defacing it. What's a couple of letters here or there?