Caro called out, Footy Classified

[artball]

I think the Ben Johnson ad is pretty funny and I don't gamble, and I dislike the amount of gambling advertising is out there. Guess its a matter of choice, if people want to do it they will, advertising or not. Tattslotto is gambling and thats been doing its thing on society for many years, long before the new school.

 

[Baloo]

Of course it has guiding principles, a shipload of them. Society, not just me, has values, impacts are identifiable and measurable, lines can be drawn and are drawn. But off you go with your private property as the only valid guiding principle trip again. The end.

What is your guiding principle then to answer the question, "where do you draw the line?".

Stop it. Both of you.

Or take it back to the Economics where it sort of belongs.

 

[tigersnake]

fair enough baloo,

but to answer G's question, take the example of where we draw the line on legal drinking, its based on judgements of when is an appropriate level of emotional and psychological development to handle booze, it isn't just drawn out of a hat at random. Sure you can argue it should be younger (kids start drinking younger anyways), and you can argue it should be older (brains are still developing, kids take risks and die in DD car accidents), but it can be defended based on rational logic (Physiology, psychology, social and cultural expectations).

We draw the line on all sorts of things all the time in similar ways.

 

[deedee]

The era of outrage.

 

[tigersnake]

The era of outrage.

putting aside whether unregulated sports betting advertising is good or not, there is nothing new about outrage DD Smash.

 

[Giardiasis]

fair enough baloo,

but to answer G's question, take the example of where we draw the line on legal drinking, its based on judgements of when is an appropriate level of emotional and psychological development to handle booze, it isn't just drawn out of a hat at random. Sure you can argue it should be younger (kids start drinking younger anyways), and you can argue it should be older (brains are still developing, kids take risks and die in DD car accidents), but it can be defended based on rational logic (Physiology, psychology, social and cultural expectations).

We draw the line on all sorts of things all the time in similar ways.

The legal drinking age is completely arbitrary, it should be left to families to work these things out, not the stooges in Canberra and their "expert" lackeys. You want to make criminals out of people that breach arbitrary standards. Just say they change it to 21, apparently last week 18 was a law abiding citizen, today a criminal that will be thrown in jail. It's thinking like this that leads to the government telling the Kerrigan family that they have to move out of their house because a bunch of experts think that building an airport is more important than their rights to their property.

According to you as long as some government funded expert says so, than any private property right can be extinguished. Your so called line is no line at all. Scary stuff.

Sorry Baloo, perhaps the mods can move the posts? I wouldn't call this economics though.

 

[Tigermad2005]

If you are stupid enough to gamble with more than you have bad luck.
I grew up with smoking ads on TV and in sport every day. Did it make me want to smoke, no.
Does giving the time odds in a game make me want to bet no.
People need to get over themselves.

 

[Broders]

Apparently Dusty's tweet was it was "Fake News" by Caro.

Just because someone says its fake news doesn't make it so.

If Dusty isn't exploring options then it can only mean that he is re-signing with Richmond or has come to terms with another club.

If it is the former I would have expected an announcement by now. So if it is in fact fake news and his manager isn't still exploring all options then I suggest Dusty is gone.

 

[year of the tiger]

The legal drinking age is completely arbitrary, it should be left to family's to work these things out, not the stooges in Canberra and their "expert" lackeys. You want to make criminals out of people that breach arbitrary standards. Just say they change it to 21, apparently last week 18 was a law abiding citizen, today a criminal that will be thrown in jail. It's thinking like this that leads to the government telling the Kerrigan family that they have to move out of their house because a bunch of experts think that building an airport is more important than their rights to their property.

According to you as long as some government funded expert says so, than any private property right can be extinguished. Your so called line is no line at all. Scary stuff.

Sorry Baloo, perhaps the mods can move the posts?

Core blimey - all I want is to take my son ( under 10) to the G or to sit down in front of the TV in the privacy of our house to watch a game on a rainy day - not sit there and be bomb barded by adds about gambling. That's a family decision and I don't want my sons brain programmed that betting is normal and an INTEGRAL part of our game - it is not - is a very valid extra that those OLDER enough to understand what they are doing can partake.

So in this instance I support big brother in Canberra stepping in because self regulation certainly ain't going to work.

Anyway didn't see Clasified and doubt I will see the ad but I have enjoyed the discussion on this thread and watched how the argument has walzed around the park so don't let me stop it continuing

 

[Jason King]

Just because someone says its fake news doesn't make it so.

If Dusty isn't exploring options then it can only mean that he is re-signing with Richmond or has come to terms with another club.

If it is the former I would have expected an announcement by now. So if it is in fact fake news and his manager isn't still exploring all options then I suggest Dusty is gone.

So Dustin is a liar and Caroline is still right? I guess the good old statute of limitations does not extend to those anointed with the kiss of caro right?

 

[Giardiasis]

Core blimey - all I want is to take my son ( under 10) to the G or to sit down in front of the TV in the privacy of our house to watch a game on a rainy day - not sit there and be bomb barded by adds about gambling. That's a family decision and I don't want my sons brain programmed that betting is normal and an INTEGRAL part of our game - it is not - is a very valid extra that those OLDER enough to understand what they are doing can partake.

So in this instance I support big brother in Canberra stepping in because self regulation certainly ain't going to work.

Anyway didn't see Clasified and doubt I will see the ad but I have enjoyed the discussion on this thread and watched how the argument has walzed around the park so don't let me stop it continuing

The gambling ads allow you to consume the product at a lower cost. I'm sure there would be many other people like you that would be prepared to pay extra to avoid the gambling ads? The real cost however is to the rest of your life, as soon as you concede that the government can regulate this aspect of society, then there is no limit to what it can regulate.
Everyone is happy for the government to point the gun at others, well then you have no cause for complaint when it points it at you.

 

[tigersnake]

The legal drinking age is completely arbitrary, it should be left to family's to work these things out, not the stooges in Canberra and their "expert" lackeys. You want to make criminals out of people that breach arbitrary standards. Just say they change it to 21, apparently last week 18 was a law abiding citizen, today a criminal that will be thrown in jail. It's thinking like this that leads to the government telling the Kerrigan family that they have to move out of their house because a bunch of experts think that building an airport is more important than their rights to their property.

According to you as long as some government funded expert says so, than any private property right can be extinguished. Your so called line is no line at all. Scary stuff.

Sorry Baloo, perhaps the mods can move the posts? I wouldn't call this economics though.

where do you even start? I was never thrown in jail for being caught underage drinking, that would have been a bummer.

 

[Giardiasis]

where do you even start? I was never thrown in jail for being caught underage drinking, that would have been a bummer.

Yeah? What about the people that sell to those underage drinkers?

 

[tigersnake]

Yeah? What about the people that sell to those underage drinkers?

my older brother got it for us, he should have been locked up.

 

[Broders]

So Dustin is a liar and Caroline is still right? I guess the good old statute of limitations does not extend to those anointed with the kiss of caro right?

I didn't call Dusty a liar just stating the fact that just because someone says it's fake news doesn't make it so. People rush to defuse or divert the attention away from an issue and calling it fake news is the latest method of doing so. If you believe otherwise I have a great piece of land that I'd like to sell you. It's good value. Honest ;D

If you read the post properly you would note that I was just drawing the conclusion that if Dusty is telling the truth then that is bad news for the RFC.

 

[Giardiasis]

my older brother got it for us, he should have been locked up.

That's what people do to victimless crimes. Ignore them. You did it yourself, yet you defend them?

 

[Baloo]

I can't understand any of the arguments to allow gambling ads during the games. Last thing I want is to ask my 7yo son "who do you think is going to win son" to get and answer back of "GWS Dad, Richmond are at $3"

 

[Midsy]

I can't understand any of the arguments to allow gambling ads during the games. Last thing I want is to ask my 7yo son "who do you think is going to win son" to get and answer back of "GWS Dad, Richmond are at $3"

What he might say though is "Dunno Dad, but at $3, it seems most people think GWS will."

Has that hurt anyone? And shows his understanding of basic maths is pretty good.

 

[tigersnake]

I can't understand any of the arguments to allow gambling ads during the games. Last thing I want is to ask my 7yo son "who do you think is going to win son" to get and answer back of "GWS Dad, Richmond are at $3"

agree

 

[jb03]

I can't understand any of the arguments to allow gambling ads during the games. Last thing I want is to ask my 7yo son "who do you think is going to win son" to get and answer back of "GWS Dad, Richmond are at $3"
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jb junior's first knowledge was maths probabilities. He particularly liked following the Betfair worm, especially when they showed it at the breaks on the big screen. Sadly went the way of the roar meter.