Beck since 1996

[Rampaging_Richo]

This is a list of draftees/trades since 1996 that Greg Beck has ovreseen.

Now based on Greg's "60% success rate" as what all recruiters are looking for, please give your thoughts in a simple yes or no if each player has been a success.

1996
Darren Gaspar
Pat Steinfort
Mark Chaffey
Matthew Manfield
Steven McKee
Jason Baldwin
Brent Frewen
Daniel Donati
Trent Nichols

1997
Brett Evans
Brad Ottens
Lionel Proctor
Paul Greenham
Andrew Kellaway
Aaron James
John Rombotis
Ashley Blurton
Justin Plapp
Jason Ramsey

1998
James White
Marc Dragicevic
Matthew Greig
Ray Hall
Craig Biddiscombe
Rory Hilton
Greg Tivendale

1999
Clay Sampson
Aaron Fiora
Ezra Poyas
Scott Homewood
Andrew Mills
Ty Zantuck
Leon Cameron

2000
Kayne Pettifer
Mark Coughlan
Chris Hyde
Andrew J. Krakouer
Chris Newman
Steven Sziller
Ben Haynes
Royce Vardy

2001
David Rodan
Adam L. Houlihan
Chris Hyde
Martin McGrath
Paul Hudson
Greg Stafford
Craig Ednie

2002
Jay Schulz
Tim Fleming
Bill Nicholls
Daniel Sipthorp

 

[Rosy]

There are also traded players like Johnson and Blumfield to be considered too.

 

[The Boss]

RR you arte going to open up a real can of worms with this post!!!!

1996
Darren Gaspar - YES
Pat Steinfort - No
Mark Chaffey - YES
Matthew Manfield - No
Steven McKee - YES, but not for RFC. He is a success in that he is still playing AFL.
Jason Baldwin - No
Brent Frewen - No
Daniel Donati - No
Trent Nichols - No

1997
Brett Evans - No ( was selected in the preseason draft with nothing much else to choose however)
Brad Ottens - YES
Lionel Proctor - No
Paul Greenham - No
Andrew Kellaway - YES
Aaron James - No
John Rombotis - No
Ashley Blurton - No
Justin Plapp - No
Jason Ramsey - No

1998
James White - No
Marc Dragicevic - YES in that he was selected pick number 55, not many picks this high play 50 odd games off AFL.
Matthew Greig- No
Ray Hall - YES
Craig Biddiscombe - No (swapped for Number 1 pick I think)
Rory Hilton - YES
Greg Tivendale - YES

1999
Clay Sampson - No ( however was picked up preseason withnothing much else to pick up though, was worth the punt).
Aaron Fiora - No (not at Number 3 in National Draft)
Ezra Poyas - No
Scott Homewood - No
Andrew Mills - No
Ty Zantuck - YES (great pick late in the draft)
Leon Cameron - YES

2000
Kayne Pettifer - No (same as Fiora)
Mark Coughlan - YES
Chris Hyde - No
Andrew J. Krakouer - YES
Chris Newman - YES
Steven Sziller - YES (in that he too was a late pick with not too much drafted afterwards).
Ben Haynes - No
Royce Vardy -

2001
David Rodan - YES
Adam L. Houlihan - No
Chris Hyde - No (why did we redraft him???)
Martin McGrath - too early to say
Paul Hudson- No
Greg Stafford - YES
Craig Ednie - No

2002
Jay Schulz - too early to say
Tim Fleming - NO
Bill Nicholls - No
Daniel Sipthorp - too early to say

 

[MC24]

1996
Darren Gaspar - Y
Pat Steinfort - N
Mark Chaffey - Y
Matthew Manfield - N
Steven McKee - N
Jason Baldwin - N
Brent Frewen - N
Daniel Donati - N
Trent Nichols - N

1997
Brett Evans - N
Brad Ottens - Y
Lionel Proctor - N
Paul Greenham - N
Andrew Kellaway - Y
Aaron James - N
John Rombotis - N
Ashley Blurton - N
Justin Plapp - N
Jason Ramsey - N

1998
James White - N
Marc Dragicevic - Undecided
Matthew Greig - N
Ray Hall - U
Craig Biddiscombe - N
Rory Hilton - N
Greg Tivendale - Y

1999
Clay Sampson - N
Aaron Fiora - Y
Ezra Poyas - N
Scott Homewood - N
Andrew Mills - N
Ty Zantuck - Y
Leon Cameron - Y

2000
Kayne Pettifer - U
Mark Coughlan - Y
Chris Hyde - U
Andrew J. Krakouer - Y
Chris Newman - Y
Steven Sziller - Y
Ben Haynes - N
Royce Vardy - Y

2001
David Rodan - Y
Adam L. Houlihan - U
Chris Hyde - U
Martin McGrath - U
Paul Hudson - N
Greg Stafford - Y
Craig Ednie - N

2002
Jay Schulz - U
Tim Fleming - U
Bill Nicholls - U
Daniel Sipthorp - U

Johnson - Y
Blumfield - Y

It's too early to tell with some players RR. I've put 'U' for them. Hope that's OK.

 

[The Boss]

Johnson - YES
Blumfield- injured so far but will be YES

 

[Rosy]

Something I don't quite understand is that people (not only the baggers) are happy to credit Beck with the Fioras and Pettifers, but praise Miller for getting Johnson and Blumfield.
What stage do Becks duties end and others take over?

 

[shawry]

1996
Darren Gaspar Yes
Pat Steinfort No unfortunately, but only coz of injury.
Mark Chaffey yes
Matthew Manfield no (even doign *smile* for Glenelg)
Steven McKee yes (we got King and Fiora from him)
Jason Baldwin yes (1 season 97 and helped us win reserves premiership as captain and helped in the development of Chaffey, A Kellaway, Torney etc)
Brent Frewen no
Daniel Donati no
Trent Nichols no (1st time around yes but not 2nd time)

1997
Brett Evans yes (was adequate)
Brad Ottens yes
Lionel Proctor no (but i liked him adn thought he had good skills)
Paul Greenham no (never got a go despite doing ok)
Andrew Kellaway yes
Aaron James no
John Rombotis no
Ashley Blurton no
Justin Plapp no
Jason Ramsey no

1998
James White no (good bloke though)
Marc Dragicevic yes
Matthew Greig no
Ray Hall yes
Craig Biddiscombe yes
Rory Hilton yes
Greg Tivendale yes

1999
Clay Sampson no
Aaron Fiora yes
Ezra Poyas no (shitty he got delisted htough)
Scott Homewood no ()considering our lack of tlals also should not have been delisted)
Andrew Mills no
Ty Zantuck yes
Leon Cameron yes

2000
Kayne Pettifer unsure (hoping so)
Mark Coughlan yes
Chris Hyde no
Andrew J. Krakouer unsure
Chris Newman unsure (looks good atm though)
Steven Sziller no
Ben Haynes no
Royce Vardy yes (good bit parts player)

2001
David Rodan yes
Adam L. Houlihan undecided
Chris Hyde no
Martin McGrath unsure
Paul Hudson no
Greg Stafford yes
Craig Ednie no

2002
Jay Schulz unsure
Tim Fleming unsure (done what was expected so far i guess)
Bill Nicholls unsure
Daniel Sipthorp unsure

Add on:
Johnson yes
Blumfield unsure (but sure he will be good, unfortunately injury has not been able to give me an accurate assessment of that)

 

[Rosy]

Scott Homewood no ()considering our lack of tlals also should not have been delisted)

Scotty was delisted due to injury problems. Not sure if he's playing now but his Dad said it's likely he'll never be able to play again.

 

[Dean3]

I don't think the exercise proves much. It's easy to rank players with 20-20 hindsight vision. A more interesting approach would be to put, say, Brisbane and Port Adelaide drafts up against ours and see how they compare.

On this analysis I'd give Beck a 40% hit rate.

 

[mightytiges]

Gas debuted in 96 so he must have been picked up in the 95 draft or 96 pre-season draft. Can't remember when Beck joined us exactly. Similarly with Tivs who debuted in 98. Also weren't Tivs and AK on the supp list first. Doesn't really matter as the point is Beck got them to the club and they are vital players in our side now.

 

[TigerFurious]

Never one to pass on a bit of Beck bashing so here are my thoughts.

1996
Darren Gaspar - yes
Pat Steinfort - no, absolute disaster
Mark Chaffey - yes
Matthew Manfield - no
Steven McKee - no
Jason Baldwin - no
Brent Frewen - no
Daniel Donati - no
Trent Nichols - no

1997
Brett Evans - no
Brad Ottens - yes, but blind freddy knew he could play
Lionel Proctor - no
Paul Greenham - no
Andrew Kellaway - yes
Aaron James - no
John Rombotis - no
Ashley Blurton - no
Justin Plapp - no
Jason Ramsey - no

1998
James White - no
Marc Dragicevic - U
Matthew Greig - no
Ray Hall - yes
Craig Biddiscombe - no, RFC got shafted on this deal
Rory Hilton - U
Greg Tivendale - yes

1999
Clay Sampson - no
Aaron Fiora - U
Ezra Poyas - no
Scott Homewood - no
Andrew Mills - no
Ty Zantuck - yes
Leon Cameron - yes

2000
Kayne Pettifer - no, another distaster
Mark Coughlan - yes
Chris Hyde - no
Andrew J. Krakouer - yes
Chris Newman - yes
Steven Sziller - no, too short sighted
Ben Haynes - no
Royce Vardy - U

2001
David Rodan - yes
Adam L. Houlihan - U
Chris Hyde - No AGAIN!!!!
Martin McGrath - U
Paul Hudson - Big *smile* NO!!
Greg Stafford - yes
Craig Ednie - no

2002
Jay Schulz - U
Tim Fleming - U
Bill Nicholls - U
Daniel Sipthorp - U

 

[mightytiges]

I don't think the exercise proves much. It's easy to rank players with 20-20 hindsight vision. A more interesting approach would be to put, say, Brisbane and Port Adelaide drafts up against ours and see how they compare.

Good point deano. Also at what number pick were each player picked up.

 

[mightytiges]

Brad Ottens - yes, but blind freddy knew he could play

Tell that to Melbounre ;D

 

[shawry]

Mightytiges: Gaspar debuted for Sydney in 1996 adn then we took him in the 96 draft after his debut year.

 

[mightytiges]

Mightytiges: Gaspar debuted for Sydney in 1996 adn then we took him in the 96 draft after his debut year.

Shawry I'm going on the AFL stats site. Gas debuted in 94 for Sydney then played his first game for us in r2 96. Stewy Maxfield went to Sydney and we picked up Gas from them with the pick we got in return from memory.

 

[The Boss]

Gaspar was recruited in the preseason draft of 1996
We lost Maxfield (who left for the $$$$) and picked up Gas as a priority pick.

 

[Rosy]

What was the story with Lambert going. Was it for money too? Did we get anyone for him?

 

[shawry]

OK well i *smile* up then. Must have bee n1996 preseason draft i guess.

Sorry i didnt know my facts on the dates jsut knew he played for Sydney first and then came to us.

 

[The Boss]

Lambert left as he was disillusioned with the club. He wanted to go to carlton but a suitable trade could not be offered. Incidentally carlton offered us there captain, Brett Ratten, who was a back pocket battler in those days and we refused. He ended up going in teh preseason draft and picked up by Brisbane, we got nothing for him which was very disappointing.

 

[Harry]

This is a list of draftees/trades since 1996 that Greg Beck has ovreseen.

Now based on Greg's "60% success rate" as what all recruiters are looking for, please give your thoughts in a simple yes or no if each player has been a success.

You've proved a great point rampaging - that Beck is a complete hack and has sunk our club. If 60% is what their aiming at then I've got him at 25%, mind you I was quite generous with some players. Stats do not lie!!!