Axe time for Frawley?

[Bulluss]

Do any of you guys believe that Danny should be given the chop? I am fully behind Greg Miller as he has the runs on the board and knows what is needed to get us on the right track. About 5 wks ago i was fully behind keeping Frawley, but slowly he has lost my support with he bad decisions and lack of guts to drag our so called big names and give them a serve. If we are going to change our playing list for the better shouldnt this involve the person that we see can take us all the way to september glory. At best i couldnt see Frawley staying any longer than next year. Why not cut our losses and start fresh with Terry Wallace and Greg Miller at the helm. I know that Greg Miller advised the board to take out the clause from Danny's contract which could enable the board to sack him if we didnt make the finals, but i have never seen anything indicating that was actually followed through.

I dont want us to return to the days of continually sacking coaches but if you get the right person you wont have to sack them. I am sure that Terry Wallace would turn us into an attacking team which play far more direct than backwards and sideways. How could we have more possesions than the Saints and still go own by 80 points?

Thats all for now.

Bull

 

[RFC not KFC]

I wouldn't give Frawley the chop. A public stoning would be far more appropriate at this moment in time.

 

[TigerFurious]

I doubt the club will sack Frawley before his contract expires but I wouldn't be surprised if he fell on his sword. Surely someone as 'honest' as Frawley can see that 14 wins from 44 games is not good enough.

 

[Rampaging_Richo]

I am with tiger furious. The club will be loath to sack him due to the payout figure, but a person as honest as Danny (so he tells everyone) should be honest enough to look in the mirror and admit that he is not good enough to be a senior coach.

However, here is a thought, if the club did sack Danny, and then employed eg. Terry Wallace I think the there would be an extra 2000 members who would sign up on the basis that the club is trying to rectify things. That would go a long way to covering Danny's payout.

 

[Dean3]

Minus the 2000 that don't renew because we've sacked the coach again.

 

[Rampaging_Richo]

Dean in the current state of the team, i reckon you would battle to find one supporter who wouldn't really care if Frawley got the boot, with a fair majority of those actually wanting it to happen.

 

[Dean3]

RR, maybe so, but there'd be a solid percentage who'd say "oh here we go again, will we EVER learn, the place is a rabble" if we sack another coach. I think you'd be surprised how many support the current administration in their determination to see just one contract through to the end, and hold the players accountable for lamentable efforts like Saturday night's.

 

[tiga]

I ran into a fellow Richmond fan and friend up here that I hadn't seen in over a year and the first thing he said to me wasn't "G'day long time no see" but "They should sack that bloody Frawley". The hurt runs deep and far.

 

[TigerFurious]

Nothing like sticking with a bad decision to the bitter end.

And Dean, its the coaches job to hold the players accountable.

 

[UntamedTiger]

Technically according to his original contract his time is up in 3 weeks. He would only have gotten next years gig if we made the eight. Talk of honouring contracts, maybe he should consider his original one and go quietly.

 

[alleycat]

agreed :-\ :-\

 

[Rampaging_Richo]

RR, maybe so, but there'd be a solid percentage who'd say "oh here we go again, will we EVER learn, the place is a rabble" if we sack another coach. I think you'd be surprised how many support the current administration in their determination to see just one contract through to the end, and hold the players accountable for lamentable efforts like Saturday night's.

Dean, well said and probably true from some people that the "here we go again.." crap would come out, but when does reality kick in and fruitility end. The guy can't coach.. flat out and there is no escaping this fact. So what do we do...
1. see out his contract and waste another year and risk sending the club into a tailspin that will takes years to fix or
2. cut our losses, clean out the list, get a decent coach and truely rebuild.

Every team has figured Frawley out. A few new players isn't going to sort out the mess.

 

[Harry]

However, here is a thought, if the club did sack Danny, and then employed eg. Terry Wallace I think the there would be an extra 2000 members who would sign up on the basis that the club is trying to rectify things. That would go a long way to covering Danny's payout.

I would say it would be more in the vicinity of 5,000 -10,000. If Fraudly stays expect memberships to be around 20,000 - 22,000. If he is replaced by Wallace expect something like 27,000 - 30,000.

 

[Roar34]

Right on, Bulluss & RR, Spud has to see the writing on the wall, or have someone spell it out for him.
I'm still sulking over the treatment handed out to Knighter.
Terry Wallace & Terry's Tigers, I say.

 

[FoX]

RR, maybe so, but there'd be a solid percentage who'd say "oh here we go again, will we EVER learn, the place is a rabble" if we sack another coach. I think you'd be surprised how many support the current administration in their determination to see just one contract through to the end, and hold the players accountable for lamentable efforts like Saturday night's.

Keeping him only to "keep up appearances" is the wrong way to go about the current situation. I for one think a possible sacking would be well and truly justified as well as good clean out of the list.

 

[iLoVeNeWmAn]

RR, maybe so, but there'd be a solid percentage who'd say "oh here we go again, will we EVER learn, the place is a rabble" if we sack another coach. I think you'd be surprised how many support the current administration in their determination to see just one contract through to the end, and hold the players accountable for lamentable efforts like Saturday night's.

Where is the logic in keeping someone (in this case Frawley) at the club just for history's sake???

What about focussing on the real issues at hand and making the accountable ones obsalete?

Our history of sacking coaches has nothing to do with the fact that our current coach has tried but failed in nearly every aspect of coaching - hence another sacked coach would be seen and appreciated as a positive step in rebuilding a club that is riddled with losers in the coaching department.

Axeing DUD will mean all current members will renew next season as the only way is up (with Frawley gone)

Axeing DUD will more than likely bring in, as RR said, an extra 2 if not more, thousand members for next year.

Keep him at the club in 2004, and watch 30% of current members turn their backs.

Keep him at the club and watch the few quality players we have at the club eye off offers from here, there and everywhere.

Keep him at the club and we will be rattling tins next year in another 'Save our Skins' campaign.

 

[tigerman]

Lions Tigers
Northey Walls
Merrett Gieschen
Mathews Frawley

 

[mightytiges]

I doubt the club will sack Frawley before his contract expires but I wouldn't be surprised if he fell on his sword. Surely someone as 'honest' as Frawley can see that 14 wins from 44 games is not good enough.

Agree TF. If he's honest with himself he should resign after round 22. In fact if he has the best interests of the RFC at heart he should tell Miller and the board inhouse that he's going so they can begin searching.

Tthe problem in past was that the only thing we did was sack the coach. Everything else remained the same especially the playing list so in fact nothing really changed. It shouldn't be a question of changing the coach OR the players. The club is now strong off-field. We should be quite capable to do and handle both changes otherwise we are truly a basketcase.

 

[jackstar]

Four years is enough. Bye Bye Danny.

 

[Tigerbob]

Axe time for Frawley?


Hell Yes.