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Animal Welfare
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Six Pack said:
Fox-hunting should be expanded here in Australia, not banned.
Foxes are foreign vermin that kills our native wildlife....and people should be encouraged to eradicate them (as well as rabbits).
Six Pack said:
Singer is the best philosopher I've ever heard, sixer. He's got a V12 thought processor and he can drive it. And as you say, the vegos are consistent.
Michael said:
Unless you're on the menu. ;D Whats that saying about breakfast: the chicken was dedicated but the pig was committed.
My own view was that the spectacular examples of animal suffering are the least interesting. Horses breaking legs on race tracks, foxes being hunted by scores of jacketed luddites, baby seals on ice fields. But I'm reconsidering this view. Maybe they're at the heart of the matter. Still ruminating on this one. Have been for a while.
Singer has an excellent case IMO albeit a disconcerting one in its extremes.
When i heard him speak he actually upset a few people in the audience because he has softened his view on vegetarianism. This position is less militant i guess, as he now says he realises that he cant change everyone by having such a hard line on the eating of meat. He is now advocating the ethical eating of meat, if u have to eat it.
I'll try and remember his reasonings and examples of this. My head is a bit blank at the moment.
I'll try and remember his reasonings and examples of this. My head is a bit blank at the moment.
Aint many I've had the privilege of hearing many topliners (in person) evo but Singer is outstanding on his feet.
And his reasoning is absolutely flawless. I'd back him one on one against Socrates. ;D Of course Socrates will not have the right of reply.
Have you had much exposure to Singer?
And his reasoning is absolutely flawless. I'd back him one on one against Socrates. ;D Of course Socrates will not have the right of reply.
Have you had much exposure to Singer?
I recall reading that man only started truly intellectually developing when we started eating a protein diet based upon fish and meat, which allowed our brains to develop much better than they had to date on a vege diet.
Sounds like to me vegetarianism is self inflicted devolution, so I'll stick to my steak or baked fish, and let you guys bogart the mung beans ;D
Sounds like to me vegetarianism is self inflicted devolution, so I'll stick to my steak or baked fish, and let you guys bogart the mung beans ;D
Dyer, from memory he was discussing the ethics of what we eat. this also included the importing of food from overseas when we had a product of the same avaialble here.
he went on a bit with the usual horror stories about battery hens and feedlot pigs etc, but he was preaching mainly to the converted at the lecture i went to.
he figured that he wont get everyone to become a vego so he was advocating that people eat meat ethically. This included not eating eggs from battery hens, not eating pork from feed lots etc but seeking out alternatives, of which there are plenty. He also argued that we should source our food from local providers and also only what is normally in season.
so if u know a local market gardener try to get yr vegies from them. or local fish co-ops etc. This was better for the environment too. It also meant that as an individual u were actively trying to find out more about what u eat rather than just buying a bag of carrots at the supermarket.
he also fielded questions on his book about those people (freegans) who were eating food out of bins and dumpsters. that was interesting but grossed me out a bit.
he went on a bit with the usual horror stories about battery hens and feedlot pigs etc, but he was preaching mainly to the converted at the lecture i went to.
he figured that he wont get everyone to become a vego so he was advocating that people eat meat ethically. This included not eating eggs from battery hens, not eating pork from feed lots etc but seeking out alternatives, of which there are plenty. He also argued that we should source our food from local providers and also only what is normally in season.
so if u know a local market gardener try to get yr vegies from them. or local fish co-ops etc. This was better for the environment too. It also meant that as an individual u were actively trying to find out more about what u eat rather than just buying a bag of carrots at the supermarket.
he also fielded questions on his book about those people (freegans) who were eating food out of bins and dumpsters. that was interesting but grossed me out a bit.
Tiger74 said:
Yeah, T74, the theory is that the massive growth in human brains about a million or so years ago was due to the availability of meat and fish. No reason to doubt it.
BTW I'm not convinced that Singer's arguments, at least as I understood them twenty years ago ;D hold for fish.
But if you think that eating processed red meat is good for your brain, well, maybe you're eating too much red meat. Try fish heads. ;D
evo said:
Did there used to be a philosophy thread? I recall reading some entertaining discourse between you and that Curt Antsy Bear. Maybe it's on general...
Six Pack said:
Excellent. I love this Freegan idea. http://www.freegan.info/ Now these are idealists. ;D
