A consensus player rating system - preliminary discussion

[Dyer'ere]

We can nuance this on any player. But I think it's pretty straightforward in the case of JVR. On GPG he's a below average KF. I think he's clearly in that category overall. Look at the numbers around him. His fans might argue that on SI or Spoils he's average. Fair enough. Perhaps in respect of those KPIs he is.

I think you don't have to look very hard at all at the numbers to conclude without any controversy that JVR is a below average KF. And in doing that we can also see that a below average KF is a valuable player.

When you look at the numbers of Nathan Kreuger we see below the level. And NK has been delisted. And when we look at Charlie Dixon's below average numbers we see a player who is close to retirement. Likewise Walker's numbers. Tomahawk retired. Look at the numbers.

Hipwood and Morris get numbers at the below average level. That's because their performance is below average. They just won a flag. But look at it this way a replacement might be in the wings if their numbers don't improve.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Young Logan Morris's numbers in 2024 were below the level in the main. And he was in and out of the side. He's young so we think his numbers will improve. Even though he just got a shiny new medal I would rate Logan Morris in 2024 as Fringe. (Nathan Kreuger used to be Fringe. His class is below that now.)

How do define Fringe? In and out of the side? Numbers below Below Average?

Elite, Above Average, Average, Below Average, Fringe. Satisfactory performance rating system for players? Anything we're missing?

 

[The_General]

That's a little surprising. Barely ahead of Bauer. Behind Mykelti - who I don't especially rate as a key forward (maybe as a medium forward).
41 games in, would hope the improvement happens for him in '25 should be up over 50 games and 4th pre-season under the belt. Will he lift, or stagnate?

 

[TigerFurious]

Geez, some harsh judgements of a third year key forward. We’ve got kpp players entering their 6th and 8th season that combined don’t produce the output of JVR.

Whatever happened to talls need more time?

Also, Tom Brown.

 

[tigertime2]

One thing is certain over the next few years and that is the PRE value system. The word most used unfortunately will be DUD.

DUD encompasses even stars who take 50 games to hit their straps and have a bad game or three.

We have to embrace the DUD because the DUD eventually leads us to the ultimate success.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Also, Tom Brown.

If we read the numbers, TF, it will be clear that Tom Brown is a defender of Below Average performance in 2024. Maybe even fringe. And that when he plays forward Tom Brown is a forward of Below Average performance in 2024 or even below that.

Let's suppose we just accept that. (I cbf crunching the numbers because I think it's obvious.) If we establish that 2022-2024 Tom Brown is an inferior performer to JVR would that then justify our referring to Matthew Clarke as The Great Eye of the Potato? RCD and CCJ, Tom See Dow and Luke English earned him that epithet long ago. Tom Brown was actually an improvement.

 

[The_General]

Geez, some harsh judgements of a third year key forward. We’ve got kpp players entering their 6th and 8th season that combined don’t produce the output of JVR.

Whatever happened to talls need more time?

Also, Tom Brown.

So, JVR has nearly 50 games, that's usually when a player *starts* to hit their straps. It's just with a KPF it usually takes more years to build their strength and body, so yes longer although not always more games.
Compare him to Bauer, a rookie picks so supposedly less talented, 9 months difference in age - and the numbers aren't currently very different.
You'd hope as a Melbourne recruiter that his upper limit is much higher than Bauer. Is it going to be though?
He looks like he'll be a 100 gamer at least, so he's not a bust, he may just be a journeyman.