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911 Truth Movement
- Thread starter Harry
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Yeah, this what I read, paper, a cheque and some insulation. The inference from theorists when saying debris was found 8 miles away is that it's parts of the plane debris. Main plane debris was found 300 yards away. Apparently the 8 mile distance is by road! It's 1 mile in a straight line.Baloo said:
Disco08 said:Cool.
Popular Mechanics' Debunking 9/11 Myths written in 2005 or a local paper from 2 days after the event. Whch is more credible IYO? Not to mention multiple eyewitness reports.
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_eyewitness.html
I have no idea what you are asking Disco08. Tim asked what was found miles away, I posted what the report says was found miles away. Are you disputing the official reports ? You keep mentioning airplane debris found 8 miles away as incredulous. I don't think paper and nylon counts as airplane debris but I guess it could do if you pushing an agenda.
Disco08 said:
More reliable than the official report ? No idea, but I would doubt it considering the confusion and emotions that reined.
Keeping in mind I don't think the authorities gave media or the general public access to the site.
The Wikipedia reports sounds plausible. What do you disagree with ? Why would conspirators plant (or are you implying it was accidental dropped) 8 miles away if it defies logic to do so ?
Disco08 said:
I'm not trying to be antagonistic. None of your sources, the few you have referenced, are national newspapers, respected investigative reporters or journals or news shows. Most of the information, which has been shown with little effort to be factually incorrect or unsupported, is found most readily on the 911 conspiracies websites. I haven't slighted any firefighters or engineers. I have slighted crackpot consiracist websites.
On quotes of yours, you have said the plane had no windows. The debris shows windows. You said there were no flight recorders, there was a flight recorder, you said it was impossible for there to be debris 8 miles away. Turns out the debris was paper and light plastics found days or weeks later. Impossible? Certainly at least possible. I really don't mean to sound condescending but you keep posting stuff that is found only on the 911 conspiracy web.
tigertim said:
Did you read the article? That's a lot of people to be getting their facts uniformly wrong. We're talking about police reports being reported too.
Popular Mechanics has been questioned by many . In this instance they simply quote the coroner as saying human remains were confined to a 70 acre area around the crash site. Did they interview the residents and business owners in other locations who clamed to have seen all types of wreckage in their area? It appears not.
Also worth noting is that although both the FDR and CVR have been recovered, only one small exceprt from the CVR has been publically released. Why?
From Discos source: " Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene."
The article doesn't put specific distances or debris fields together in any coherent way and includes a reference to debris "floating like confetti" which might account for the far flung stuff. And the Indian Lake quote above is one which conspiracists like to use but I can't figure why it is surprising that an upside down jet crashing at maybe 580 mph would throw debris a long way.
The article doesn't put specific distances or debris fields together in any coherent way and includes a reference to debris "floating like confetti" which might account for the far flung stuff. And the Indian Lake quote above is one which conspiracists like to use but I can't figure why it is surprising that an upside down jet crashing at maybe 580 mph would throw debris a long way.
KnightersRevenge said:
Really?
KnightersRevenge said:
You do realise that Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Firefighters for 9/11 Truth are all websites which oppose the OR don't you? You do also realise that literally hundreds of eyewitness accounts from firefighters, police, military, government officials as well as the public contradict the OR as well right?
You've been antagonistic since the start of this thread. Your first post accused Harry of being high. Since then the constant theme of your posting has been that anyone who doesn't believe the OR is a crackpot. That's not only antagonistic it's disrespectful.
I've made a lot of points on this thread. Yes I've made a few mistakes but I'm happy enough to admit that. I've also posted plenty of points/questions that none of you have responded to.
I also just posted a link to a page full of eyewitness testimony printed in major or local newspapers. Otherwise I've tried to focus on eyewitness account and uncontested facts. I've posted very few links to TM sites. I know you guys are unlikely to read them anyway. Personally I reckon this discussion would be heaps better if you stuck to debating the points rather than nitpicking every little mistake and bitching about my method.
KnightersRevenge said:
The previous paragraph reads:
Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.
Disco08 said:
A lot of people got their facts wrong about the second plane being a military drone/bomber/hologram/grey/no windows as well. You believed them for a while as well but have now chaned your mind.
Isn't it possible that the eye witness facts of some eye witnesses about flight 93 could also be wrong ?
You have to admit it could seem a little convenient that a nice piece of fuselage with windows is sitting on the roof of a neighbouring building.
You guys don't think there's a fair difference between missing the windows in a grey plane (look how hard they are to see on the photos and video) and mistaking human remins lying on the ground?
So many things dispelled today? Like what?
You guys don't think there's a fair difference between missing the windows in a grey plane (look how hard they are to see on the photos and video) and mistaking human remins lying on the ground?
tigertim said:
So many things dispelled today? Like what?
