9/11

[outcast]

I don't think the U.S government was behind the attacks per se , but i think there is a pretty
good chance that key figures in the administration knew that osama and buddies were planning an
attack and chose to keep quiet and let it happen knowing the benefits it would bring...

 

[Harry]

I don't think the U.S government was behind the attacks per se , but i think there is a pretty
good chance that key figures in the administration knew that osama and buddies were planning an
attack and chose to keep quiet and let it happen knowing the benefits it would bring...

Very possible.

Israeli security and control of oil fields is well worth turning a blind eye and sacrificing a couple of tall towers.

Like the AFL trade week you need to give something to gain something.

 

[Jools]

I don't think the U.S government was behind the attacks per se , but i think there is a pretty
good chance that key figures in the administration knew that osama and buddies were planning an
attack and chose to keep quiet and let it happen knowing the benefits it would bring...

I saw parts of a telemovie over the last couple of nights of the events leading up to 9/11, and Bin Laden had been watched for a long time.
There must be so much information and misinformation gathered, the hard part would be analysing what should be investigated further, and what should be dismissed.

 

[Lidsand]

the towers' foundations were shot after the earlier attack on them years ago and they were gonna fall eventually. carefully orchestrated and years in planning. they thought why not kill the 2 birds with the one stone

 

[Lidsand]

I don't think the U.S government was behind the attacks per se , but i think there is a pretty
good chance that key figures in the administration knew that osama and buddies were planning an
attack and chose to keep quiet and let it happen knowing the benefits it would bring...

I saw parts of a telemovie over the last couple of nights of the events leading up to 9/11, and Bin Laden had been watched for a long time.
There must be so much information and misinformation gathered, the hard part would be analysing what should be investigated further, and what should be dismissed.

its pretty easy to gather information on somebody (bin laden ) when he is on your payroll for years

 

[Liverpool]

The pentagon strike raises the most questions.
How can a commercial plane cause such a narrow piercing hole which penetrated some 7 layers into the pentagon?
How come there were no remains of the plane anywher near the crash site?
Why was there evidence of unburnt furniture and even paper near the crash site. The plane would have exploded on impact whereas a missile or bunker buster would have penetrated and then exploded?
Why was there no footage of the plane considering there are numerous camera's around the pentagon?
How can a plane even get close to the intelligence centre of the US without being shot down by anti-plane missiles?
The evidence around the twin towers is a bit more hazy but there is no denying that the Pentagon strike raises some very valid questions, that cannot be dismissed as a crazy conspiracy theory.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, heck I don't care whether the US landed on the moon or not, or whether Elvis is dead or alive. But when it comes down to thousands of innocent people dying then all questions and concerns should be raised and looked at. Dismissing them only causes a greater injustice to these people.

As I've said the Pentagon does seem the most suspicious.
Very hard to see how a passenger plane could crash into a building like that and leave no wreckage.
The official line was at the time was along the lines that the plane disintergrated on impact and due to the extreme heat of the fire left no distinguishable wreckage.
Spectators also said that they saw what looked like a missile rather than a plane.
This is where I think perhaps the US government has possibly covered things up.
Harry what do you think of the notion that after the initial planes crashed into the towers that the government made the difficult decision to shoot down the remaining planes?
Perhaps then the military under direction of the Government fired on the Pentagon to avoid the flak of killing their own citizens knowing that it would be easy to cover it up?
Just typing it sounds ludicrous. I'm not sure how such a decision could be reached without having prior knowledge of such an event. We are only talking a couple of hours window here.
Hmmm.

Harry/TigersOfOld,

Hopefully these pages allay any doubts:

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/smallhole.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

Photos of aircraft wreckage on the lawn and other photos from the Pentagon that day:

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.html

And then the video was released:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html

But at the end of the day, if you believe what you want to believe....

 

[Lidsand]

obviously some people knew of the attacks

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html

interesting article

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm

even better

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm

heres some more

http://www.rense.com/general30/cont.htm

but this is the best one
the whole website is good, not just that page

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html

 

[Lidsand]

thats rather odd

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/identities.html

 

[Tigers of Old]

Liverpool I am far from convinced in these elaborate conspiracy theories, however at least these documentaries have actually attempted to explain what may have happened which is a damn sight more than we ever got from the US government.
True or false I find it amazing how little official evidence was actually released to explain the events, particularly that surrounding the Pentagon.
Perhaps this was for security reasons who knows? However on face value a large passenger plane flying into a building versus the actual damage at the site just doesn't seem to add up.
Surely this facility would be surrounded by security videos, yet aside from one unclear camera angle of the impact it's unfathomable how little vision there has been of that event.

 

[Tigerdog]

The buildings collapsed because of the way they were built. As soon as the first few floors started collapsing the rest of the floorsjust fell on each other internally. Causing the external fram to collapse the way it did.
The one I have always found interesting is that after the attacks the last plane to leave the USA with permission contained members of Bin ladens family. Business partners of Bush and others I am led to believe.

 

[TigerForce]

I totally believe that Bush and his co's were the culprits of all this.

Everything points to Bush's strong relationship with oil and Israel.

If he set up a boogeyman like Bin Laden, why did he turn his head to chase after Saddam Hussein instead?

Why did his government take 411 days to produce a report on this disaster?

Tower 7 was also owned by David Silverstein(sp?) and it's 'sudden' collapse gave this bloke $7b insurance claim.

read this www.robert-fisk.com , click on 'information clearing house'

 

[Lidsand]

The buildings collapsed because of the way they were built. As soon as the first few floors started collapsing the rest of the floorsjust fell on each other internally. Causing the external fram to collapse the way it did.
The one I have always found interesting is that after the attacks the last plane to leave the USA with permission contained members of Bin ladens family. Business partners of Bush and others I am led to believe.

dog, how can the first few floors of a building collapse when the impact was near the top of the structure? the temp required to cause the damage the US govt claimed caused the buildings to collapse can only occur at 800 degrees yet fires from aviation fuel cannot burn that hot?

 

[Harry]

LMAO at 6 of the alleged hijackers turning up alive after Sept 11.

LMAO at the US not being able to find an old man in a cave.

 

[Tigerdog]

The buildings collapsed because of the way they were built. As soon as the first few floors started collapsing the rest of the floorsjust fell on each other internally. Causing the external fram to collapse the way it did.
The one I have always found interesting is that after the attacks the last plane to leave the USA with permission contained members of Bin ladens family. Business partners of Bush and others I am led to believe.

dog, how can the first few floors of a building collapse when the impact was near the top of the structure? the temp required to cause the damage the US govt claimed caused the buildings to collapse can only occur at 800 degrees yet fires from aviation fuel cannot burn that hot?

I don't remember the specifics of the doco I was forced to watch a few years ago as part of a building course, but the very things that made it possible to complete the structure so quickly in the first place, were the reason why it collapsed the way it did.
Can't remember the name of it sorry. But everything they said was quite plausible.

 

[Harry]

There is now way buildings such as the twin towers can collapse like a deck of cards.

If they were hit near the bottom then maybe.

If anything it would fall apart piece by piece taking much longer, ie one floor collapse here, another there, one side here another there etc.

It seemed way too orchastrated and there seemed to definately be explosions happening floor by floor as it crumbled.

Too suspicious.

 

[Tigerdog]

I remember now how they were built. But it would take way to long to describe it. Just get the doco and decide for yourself.
N man has landed on the moon.

 

[Ghost Who Walks]

The heat from the Aviation fuel and the large quanities of fuel in the planes, meant that the girders just melted.

1 moment the towers had metal frame work on the building the next it did not.

 

[Anduril]

You won't convince them G O W.

 

[Jools]

That's how I understood what happened with the towers. Most of the construction was with steel girders, rather than reinforced concrete. When the girders melted and/or were weakened by the planes crashing in and the floors started to collapse, the weight was enough to collapse all the floors beneath as they fell downwards.

The south tower went first because of the way the plane went in. The north tower collapsed straighter than the south, you could see the mast on top going straight down. Anything that looked like explosions on the way down i would have thought were things like electrical explosions, water pipes, windows blowing out etc. from pressure build ups.

I don't believe the conspiracy theories. As others have said, I don't see how you could possibly keep something like that quiet.

 

[Tigers of Old]

There is now way buildings such as the twin towers can collapse like a deck of cards.

If they were hit near the bottom then maybe.

If anything it would fall apart piece by piece taking much longer, ie one floor collapse here, another there, one side here another there etc.

It seemed way too orchastrated and there seemed to definately be explosions happening floor by floor as it crumbled.

Too suspicious.

Come of it Harry. :spin
Do you honestly think these dozens of "evil" people who orchestrated these events to kill thousands of innocent American civillians could lie straight in their beds at night, let alone get on with the task of running a country?
I'm talking here about all the people you are suggesting from those who supposedly set up these "explosions" right through to George W Bush himself.

As far as conspiracy theories go, this isn't a fake moon landing or UFO sighting we are talking about, it's mass murder!!!

It is pure lunacy to believe this to be the case and extremely far fetched.