2020 finals–week one: the other games

[MD Jazz]

The forward pocket mark was an in-the-back from Mihocek on McGovern for which the ump promptly answered his complaints with " ... that's no longer a rule; not for three years ..."!

Wow, just wow.

It is a rule, and has been for well over 100 years. You can hold your position with your arms in the back of an opponent, but you can't push the opponent.

If this is the calibre of umpiring I am not surprised we have so many issues.

DS
[/QUOTE]

He didn’t push him though. And you can use your hands to hold your ground now. Clear mark, well done by micheck

 

[leon]

Did the defender say "hands in the back?" Just asking.

I couldn't make out McGovern's words exactly but he clearly was complaining that he had been pushed under the ball, out of position.
He was in front, in best position to mark it.

 

[leon]

I couldn't make out McGovern's words exactly but he clearly was complaining that he had been pushed under the ball, out of position.

Deleted

 

[leon]

Wow, just wow.

It is a rule, and has been for well over 100 years. You can hold your position with your arms in the back of an opponent, but you can't push the opponent.

If this is the calibre of umpiring I am not surprised we have so many issues.

DS

He didn’t push him though. And you can use your hands to hold your ground now. Clear mark, well done by micheck
[/QUOTE]
I think he did move him forward out of front position to take that mark. The altering of the rule leaves it open to interpretation, of course. I think in the old days you were expected to keep your hands out of an opponent's back completely and raise them to attempt to mark. You have always been allowed to leap for the ball or hold out using your hip/shoulder legally.
That decision won the game - and others.

 

[AngryAnt]

I couldn't make out McGovern's words exactly but he clearly was complaining that he had been pushed under the ball, out of position.
He was in front, in best position to mark it.

Ok, if he'd said "hands in the back" the umpire would be right. The push in the back is administered so inconsistently these days, I can see why players get upset over it.

 

[tigertim]

I still don’t know if you can use “forearm” to the back or not. Sometimes a player does it and commentators say “that’s ok, he didn’t use his hands” then sometimes an umpire will ping a player for a forearm to the back.

 

[leon]

I still don’t know if you can use “forearm” to the back or not. Sometimes a player does it and commentators say “that’s ok, he didn’t use his hands” then sometimes an umpire will ping a player for a forearm to the back.

Yes that's just it. The current rule is quite ambiguous to my mind so of course, allows 'interpretation.' So at the whim of the umps, which is just the way the AFL wants it imo. Can do what they like without much challenge at all.

 

[Streak]

Was a gutbuster for the Pies - huge mental buildup and the longest road trip in football. How do they repeat it? And Geelong has had an extra two days to regroup.

I don't think Geelong are certainties, just that they will have the edge. I'd anticipated we would play them in a prelim, but I think Brisbane's a better match-up for them.

Agree L2R2R.

Cats for me, they'll out run the pies in the second half.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Agree L2R2R.

Cats for me, they'll out run the pies in the second half.

And under the current finals system, QF losers are 32-8 in semis.

Would've been less confident of Geelong beating West Coast as the Eagles can match them in the air as well as being quicker on the ground.

 

[Tigaman]

Just a snippet from the West in regards WAFL Grand finals

Colts Claremont (Tigers) lost to Subiaco
Reserves Claremont (Tigers) lost to East Perth
Seniors Claremont (Tigers) lost to South Fremantle

Good reason for a Wake.

 

[DavidSSS]

I think they are making out that it is harder to differentiate between a player being pushed and a player not being able to push back in a marking contest. I know players exaggerate but the umpires should know what to look for.

I'm not sure what Mihochek said either, but if he said he was pushed in the back and the umpire does not agree then the reply is that he wasn't pushed, not that pushing in the back is no longer a rule. Would explain why Hawkins gets away with so many pushes in the back though if that is what the umpires think.

DS

 

[Tigaman]

Music for one's ear today as one did tune into 6PR (Perth) talk back radio with those West Coast choker fans venting their spleen on last nights exit by those feral dirty etc etc etc etc Hot Pies plus the umps.

 

[Harry]

Pies will be too quick for geelong.

Unfortunately think they're a massive chance to make the gf

 

[AngryAnt]

Would love to beat them in a GF

 

[DragaTheCro]

Pies will be too quick for geelong.

Unfortunately think they're a massive chance to make the gf

They also beat the Handbaggers in the QF last year and then underperformed against GWS in the Prelim. Reckon the might beat Geelong too but won’t beat the Lions.

 

[MD Jazz]

One of the greatest finals wins ever? Good win sure, but OTT IMO. The whole hub iso thing is overstated. Clubs are used to travelling, and Collingwood travel well historically, and they are well and truly used to being confined to hubs. A week in a nice hotel is now akin to being in the hole in Boggo Road?

Anyway, good win sure, greatest finals win ever? Way OTT hype.

Jeez what a cynical view. The game itself was fantastic, you never knew which way it was going to go. Highlights galore, thrilling marks and goals. It was a huge effort by the pies. Loved it as a spectacle, some of us can actually enjoy a brilliant game for what it is.

 

[Djevv]

Did he mean that ‘hands in the back’ is no longer a rule? If so that is correct.

What is allowed now is interpreted based on the situation. Forwards are allowed to hold their ground using hands if necessary.

 

[tigersnake]

Jeez what a cynical view. The game itself was fantastic, you never knew which way it was going to go. Highlights galore, thrilling marks and goals. It was a huge effort by the pies. Loved it as a spectacle, some of us can actually enjoy a brilliant game for what it is.

did I say I didn't enjoy the game? My beef is with the narrative that the pies had no hope in hell, as I said in the post.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Did he mean that ‘hands in the back’ is no longer a rule? If so that is correct.

What is allowed now is interpreted based on the situation. Forwards are allowed to hold their ground using hands if necessary.

Big difference between holding ground n pushing. That was the reason they changed the rule to hands in the back n crucified Richo n us against Essendrugs in the first place. They then changed it back to being able to hold your ground with your hands a few years ago n defenders are once again being shunted out of the contest.

 

[MD Jazz]

Big difference between holding ground n pushing. That was the reason they changed the rule to hands in the back n crucified Richo n us against Essendrugs in the first place. They then changed it back to being able to hold your ground with your hands a few years ago n defenders are once again being shunted out of the contest.

I reckon they've got it pretty much right, you rarely see supporters whingeing about hands in the back anymore.

It's the HTB that is the big issue. And its mainly been caused by Shocking reacting to Clarkson reacting to his own *smile* sides play. It's laughable rules management of the biggest game in Aust when you think about it.