When did the AFL start hating Richmond?

[yo_eddy]

…Geelong weren't right in 2017 , but 2019 QF and 2020 GF will have hurt Geelong deeply
and again jealousy , hate , distain not oh wow they are too good

It’s this bit that makes it so much sweeter, no matter how annoying it is that we’re getting reamed now. Geelong ain’t getting those two back, and it will always burn them like really bad acid reflux. Marvellous!

 

[taztiger4]

 

[seven]

Correct! Carlton 25, us 12.

Okay, Well that confirms the story of Neil Balme ripping into the umpires during a preseason training day in 2017.
Can't remeber if it was Cotchin or Jack who told the story

 

[tigertim]

Okay, Well that confirms the story of Neil Balme ripping into the umpires during a preseason training day in 2017.
Can't remeber if it was Cotchin or Jack who told the story

It was Balmey himself, in his book.

 

[achillesjones]

Don't worry folks. As soon as our attendances start to fall, it will all end very quickly. We are a cash cow they can't afford not to keep productive.

 

[seven]

It was Balmey himself, in his book.

I knew there was another book on my list to get.

 

[spook]

Ive wondered if its an old class thing - irish catholic workers?

But arent collingwood based on that too?

Yeah i think its a self-perpetuating multilayered persistent *smile*-storm headwind; a long cultural grudge.

Hatfields and mccoys all the way to israel and palestine

without them, historians would all be taxidermists

what musta St.Kilda did?

Richmond: working-class
Collingwood: criminal class

Wasn't Collingwood more English peasants? The precursor club was called Britannia Football Club. So they tug the forelock and think it an honour to play for the Queen and get shot in the chest for King and Country.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Don't worry folks. As soon as our attendances start to fall, it will all end very quickly. We are a cash cow they can't afford not to keep productive.

I don’t know about that. If they do see us as a cash cow why the commercial disaster that has been this season’s draw?

 

[The Mole]

I don’t know about that. If they do see us as a cash cow why the commercial disaster that has been this season’s draw?

They want the Tigers to be beholden to the AFL for income through distributions, not being independently wealthy. That way they can control us. That way they can keep their power.
If the Tigers and the other big clubs like Hawthorn, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Westcoast become rich they could potentially hold the AFL at ransom - “give us what we want or we will make a breakaway league”. Minnow clubs like North, St Kilda, Bulldogs and the expansion clubs are attached to the teat of AFL distributions and toe the AFL line always.

 

[TigerMasochist]

They want the Tigers to be beholden to the AFL for income through distributions, not being independently wealthy. That way they can control us. That way they can keep their power.
If the Tigers and the other big clubs like Hawthorn, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Westcoast become rich they could potentially hold the AFL at ransom - “give us what we want or we will make a breakaway league”. Minnow clubs like North, St Kilda, Bulldogs and the expansion clubs are attached to the teat of AFL distributions and toe the AFL line always.

Pretty sure the AFL hold all the branding rights, colours, logo's, naming, etc. So the new league would encompass the Dingleys, the Colons, the Princes Parkers, the Tullamarines, the Punt Roaders the Border Quarantiners. Six team comp, reckon that'll go down real well.

 

[spook]

Pretty sure the AFL hold all the branding rights, colours, logo's, naming, etc. So the new league would encompass the Dingleys, the Colons, the Princes Parkers, the Tullamarines, the Punt Roaders the Border Quarantiners. Six team comp, reckon that'll go down real well.

Yes but the AFL is the clubs. Two-thirds majority and they can turf the bums out. Which of course is another motivator for the AFilthL to keep as many clubs as they can on the teat, and increase the total number of clubs as well, to dilute that power and make it almost impossible to get that two-thirds.

 

[Tigers of Old]

They want the Tigers to be beholden to the AFL for income through distributions, not being independently wealthy. That way they can control us. That way they can keep their power.
If the Tigers and the other big clubs like Hawthorn, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Westcoast become rich they could potentially hold the AFL at ransom - “give us what we want or we will make a breakaway league”. Minnow clubs like North, St Kilda, Bulldogs and the expansion clubs are attached to the teat of AFL distributions and toe the AFL line always.

Nailed it. Jon O'Rourke has basically said as much. They're doing us no favours. Zero. All in the name of 'equalisation'.*


*Bend over Tigers.

 

[craig]

Don't worry folks. As soon as our attendances start to fall, it will all end very quickly. We are a cash cow they can't afford not to keep productive.

Nah the AFL are pushing up Carlton and Essendon to cover the drop off from Richmond and West Coast.

 

[The Mole]

Nah the AFL are pushing up Carlton and Essendon to cover the drop off from Richmond and West Coast.

They don’t really care about attendances, all their money comes from TV rights. The clubs on the other hand need the revenue from attendances.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Yes but the AFL is the clubs. Two-thirds majority and they can turf the bums out. Which of course is another motivator for the AFilthL to keep as many clubs as they can on the teat, and increase the total number of clubs as well, to dilute that power and make it almost impossible to get that two-thirds.

Not sure but got a feeling it's more than two thirds majority. Pretty sure there was a song n dance some years ago between the clubs n HQ over some Commission member n it was near on impossible for the clubs to get HQ to listen and act.
Brisvegas, Mold Coast, Gee Whizz, Sydaknee, St Kiddenme, Woofers, #Lolnorf, Smelbourne, Frockers, Pordadalayde. Probably all beholden to the AFL Honchos for their survival. Five of those clubs would cease to exist in about 30 seconds flat without AFL backing so getting your two thirds majority is paper thin to start with. Then consider the t.v. rights and sponsorship funding available when at best it's back to a 12 team, perhaps 10 or 8 team comp.
Perhaps we could go back to a local suburban comp on Sat arvo's n call it the VFL or something. That'd be fun, plenty of near empty footy grounds around the burbs we could use on the weekends.

 

[DavidSSS]

They don’t really care about attendances, all their money comes from TV rights. The clubs on the other hand need the revenue from attendances.

Correct, but this causes 2 issues:

1) it makes the clubs beholden to the AFL, which they like but the supporters and clubs hate. However, this could be an issue as the fans are only interested in the clubs, not the AFL, so they screw the clubs at their peril.
2) you lose the die hard fans if you don't cater to those who attend. This can have a knock on effect as they don't encourage their kids interest. Also, one of the strengths of Australian Football has been high attendances (see NRL as a comparison) and losing this strength might be ok in the short term, which is all the AFL care about, but in the medium to long term this is a risk. Australian Rules Football is a one country sport, this is a risk they would be wise to avoid, but the AFL and wisdom do not go together.

DS

 

[TigerMasochist]

Correct, but this causes 2 issues:

1) it makes the clubs beholden to the AFL, which they like but the supporters and clubs hate. However, this could be an issue as the fans are only interested in the clubs, not the AFL, so they screw the clubs at their peril.
2) you lose the die hard fans if you don't cater to those who attend. This can have a knock on effect as they don't encourage their kids interest. Also, one of the strengths of Australian Football has been high attendances (see NRL as a comparison) and losing this strength might be ok in the short term, which is all the AFL care about, but in the medium to long term this is a risk. Australian Rules Football is a one country sport, this is a risk they would be wise to avoid, but the AFL and wisdom do not go together.

DS

NRL appears to be going fairly well with game attendance levels at lower than 50% of Aussie rules. Their game is a lot simpler n more straight forward to watch and adjudicate than the rolling mauls n scrumby of Aussie rules these days.

 

[The Mole]

Correct, but this causes 2 issues:

1) it makes the clubs beholden to the AFL, which they like but the supporters and clubs hate. However, this could be an issue as the fans are only interested in the clubs, not the AFL, so they screw the clubs at their peril.
2) you lose the die hard fans if you don't cater to those who attend. This can have a knock on effect as they don't encourage their kids interest. Also, one of the strengths of Australian Football has been high attendances (see NRL as a comparison) and losing this strength might be ok in the short term, which is all the AFL care about, but in the medium to long term this is a risk. Australian Rules Football is a one country sport, this is a risk they would be wise to avoid, but the AFL and wisdom do not go together.

DS

Correct, but this causes 2 issues:

1) it makes the clubs beholden to the AFL, which they like but the supporters and clubs hate. However, this could be an issue as the fans are only interested in the clubs, not the AFL, so they screw the clubs at their peril.
2) you lose the die hard fans if you don't cater to those who attend. This can have a knock on effect as they don't encourage their kids interest. Also, one of the strengths of Australian Football has been high attendances (see NRL as a comparison) and losing this strength might be ok in the short term, which is all the AFL care about, but in the medium to long term this is a risk. Australian Rules Football is a one country sport, this is a risk they would be wise to avoid, but the AFL and wisdom do not go together.

DS

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