bullus_hit said:Pick 2 for Pick 3 & 16.
Ah ok. Bris weren't interested in Taranto?
bullus_hit said:Pick 2 for Pick 3 & 16.
Taranto probably only went #2 because McGrath went #1. If Essendon took McCluggage, GWS would have taken McGrath, and Brisbane Ainsworth.Harry said:Ah ok. Bris weren't interested in Taranto?
TigerPort said:It was a strategy thing from GWS moving from 3 to 2 in the draft order.
Staying at 3 left Brisbane open to bid on one of the GWS academy kids and GWS would have had to use pick 3. By moving they got two top end kids.
GWS are playing the game very well......although they were given a 25m head start in a 100m race
Harry said:It's a joke and surprised other clubs aren't making more noise. Where's Eddie to take up the battle for the Vic clubs coz our president doesn't really give a stuff let alone know what's going on.
footballmonk said:Yep, GWS managed to move forward by a total of 52 picks in return for a slide of 15 of their later picks. I don't really understand how this can happen as that's obviously a lot more than the 20% discount they get for academy kids. I was fully expecting them to have to take the last couple of picks in the draft at 75+, but instead their downgraded picks were still higher than the 3rd pick we took.
WesternTiger said:To busy trying to find a new head of football...
bullus_hit said:The 25% discount combined with a positive loop effect which drags all their junk picks up the order. For example, Setterfield gets an early bid and they use pick 15, 37 & 39. All their other picks then move up the order by two spots and in turn manufacture more points in the process. Given GWS started with 10 picks this effect can be quite pronounced. The AFL need to scrap the discount, the benefit of having first dibs on a player is more than adequate compensation.
GWS are effectively double dipping, they basically have thier own "zone" system as used to be in place as well as the open Draft.bullus_hit said:The 25% discount combined with a positive loop effect which drags all their junk picks up the order. For example, Setterfield gets an early bid and they use pick 15, 37 & 39. All their other picks then move up the order by two spots and in turn manufacture more points in the process. Given GWS started with 10 picks this effect can be quite pronounced. The AFL need to scrap the discount, the benefit of having first dibs on a player is more than adequate compensation.
Harry said:4 inside 20.
bullus_hit said:The 25% discount combined with a positive loop effect which drags all their junk picks up the order. For example, Setterfield gets an early bid and they use pick 15, 37 & 39. All their other picks then move up the order by two spots and in turn manufacture more points in the process. Given GWS started with 10 picks this effect can be quite pronounced. The AFL need to scrap the discount, the benefit of having first dibs on a player is more than adequate compensation.
when i have questioned "journo's" on this issue all they say is "without the Academy's the kids would be lost to the game".tigersnake said:went from 1 inside top 10 and 2 inside top 20, to 2 inside top 10 and 4 inside top 20, with no real penalty.
Putting aside the concessions already granted and how powerful GWS already are as a result, the system is just out of whack regardless. There are all these complicated values and weightings and discounts, but when you look at what actually happens, how big the 'penalties' are, its a joke. The points weighting must be flawed, and the discount is too high.
Harry said:If they packaged up picks then how did they get 54 and 58?
Does anyone know how they packaged up their picks?
TOT70 said:Let's try an example. They needed to match pick 5 for Setterfield. That is 1878 points. They get a 20% discount. After the discount they needed 1502 points. They used picks 13 and 37. That is 1212 and 483 points, adding up to 1695. So they match and have 193 points left over. Pick 56 is worth 194 points, so pick 56 has just materialised for them out of thin air from their leftover points and is slotted in accordingly. Remember how they used 13 and 37 to do it? They have been cancelled so all later picks move forward 2 places. Pick 56 becomes pick 54 and is worth 220, in readiness for their next bid.
So there is pick 54.
Next to the word "rort" in the dictionary, you will soon see a photo of the GWS Academy.
Essendon should have bid on Setterfield. That would have cost them 2400 and it would have cancelled out their ability to match anything else. Carlton should have then bid on Perryman.
In all likelihood, they would not have matched these bids and they would have ended up with just the picks they already had. If they did match, they would have taken the two players and been done for the night until pick 80.
Sadly, clubs only look at it from their own perspective. That's why GWS have become so strong. All the other clubs are happy to trade with them because that us where the best deal is. We saw it with Deledio. Directing him towards GWS got us the best deal.