why was Gibcus/Prestia played again within 5 days of an interstate game? Why was Daniel Rioli played clearly hindered at the end of last season when the results didn't matter (losing would have helped come draft day)? I could continue.
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What i would have liked to see for what its worth.
From what i can gather Naismith, Sonsie, McAuliffe and Cumberland have been very good in the two's. In they come simply rewarding good form as opposed to continued support for bad form in the seniors. Ralphsmith while im no fan is in the same boat.
Young and Broad come off injury and are needed in a badly depleted backline when it comes to talls. That is seven changes and imo they make sense and are logical.
I also think its time to try a few players in different but similar roles. Mansell had a good game as a forward lets see if he can bring similar defensive pressure to the small swan forwards as a backman. Pickett i have always wanted to see what he can bring from half back having watched him dominate there when he was with south freo. He is the type who will have the opposition looking over their shoulders.
Brown and Rioli stay in running roles just on the wings.
Clarke and Cumberland are logical small forward options and have to be better forward options than Maurice and Mansell. Campbell makes up a handy small triumvirate.
B: Vlastuin - Young - Mansell
HB: Pickett - Miller - Broad
C: Brown - McAuliffe - Rioli
R: Nankervis - Taranto - Bolton
HF: Clarke - Balta - Campbell
F: Naismith - Lynch - Cumberland
Int: Sonsie - Ross - Baker - Ralphsmith.
Sub Lefau.
From what i can gather Naismith, Sonsie, McAuliffe and Cumberland have been very good in the two's. In they come simply rewarding good form as opposed to continued support for bad form in the seniors. Ralphsmith while im no fan is in the same boat.
Young and Broad come off injury and are needed in a badly depleted backline when it comes to talls. That is seven changes and imo they make sense and are logical.
I also think its time to try a few players in different but similar roles. Mansell had a good game as a forward lets see if he can bring similar defensive pressure to the small swan forwards as a backman. Pickett i have always wanted to see what he can bring from half back having watched him dominate there when he was with south freo. He is the type who will have the opposition looking over their shoulders.
Brown and Rioli stay in running roles just on the wings.
Clarke and Cumberland are logical small forward options and have to be better forward options than Maurice and Mansell. Campbell makes up a handy small triumvirate.
B: Vlastuin - Young - Mansell
HB: Pickett - Miller - Broad
C: Brown - McAuliffe - Rioli
R: Nankervis - Taranto - Bolton
HF: Clarke - Balta - Campbell
F: Naismith - Lynch - Cumberland
Int: Sonsie - Ross - Baker - Ralphsmith.
Sub Lefau.
VFL form hasn't been rewarded last year nor this. This is my gripe.
Yze got the job as he is a Livingston yes man promised he wouldn't change a thing
Where mini wanted to 360 the joint
Where mini wanted to 360 the joint
If you trawl through posts you will find me very supportive of Cumbo being in the team but his form is not up to selection, simple as that. 2022 form yes
This is what the vfl coach said about him. I have watched him in the last few weeks and he is getting better but not screaming out to be picked imo.
Noah Cumberland (11 disposals, four inside-50s, two marks, two goals)
"Noah has played a couple of very different games over the last couple of weeks. But, the aspect of his game that has really stood out has been his defensive pressure and that's something that we really value and are definitely looking to see him continue to build. It was good to see him getting a little bit of reward on the scoreboard on the weekend, he's trending in a really positive direction
Cumbo was not in our best 5 on the ground last week, I watched basically the whole game. He kicked one really good goal, another long goal from a dodgy free kick and had 6 possessions to 3 quarter time. He had a good last quarter.
Is working hard defensively. Needs a couple of good vfl games to be considered.
Not sure which match you were watching.
Probably not a whole lot.
But the trouble with playing the younger potential players for a three or four game block so that you get some time for them to feel comfortable at the level n pressure and actually see what they can or can't do. Is that you then actually have to play them for that three or four game block and not just chuck the toys out of the cot n throw them back into the magoos after one game because they're not instant Dusty.
We've got a whole season of the coach shuffling players into and out of the side to see who can or can't do what in blocks of three or four games and that's on top of whatever changes we're forced to make covering for injuries n nose candy episodes.
Spot on .He was THE shinning light by the end of 2022.Yet something unfathomable to us happened and he hadnt been givin a run of gamrs since .Meanwhile we frustrating gifted games to former stars ( but way past having any impact as fowards ) edwards and cotchin.Now jack graham who is not a foward, We played a bopelessly oyt of position Pickett there .And now the very average to poor Mansell and the 1 goal in 11 games and 2 tackles a week Mauruce Rioli .
Why on earth Cumbo is playing is baffling.He will leave and be a 40 to 50 goals a year player at the cats or pies etc...
Its depressing .
Exactly
Graham
Mansell
Maurice
We love rewarding some out of form players but not others
He wouldn't come close to getting a game in either of those two teams
Mark Robinson and gerard whately would have been a disaster
Gibcus’s ACL had nothing to do with the 5 day break.
Anyway, a lot of contract bonuses are tied to the number of games played in a season. Players have mortgages too and often the financial rewards are worth the risks.
Maybe an umpire sponsored Cumbo and this is our form of revenge?
We always pick out of form players expect when we don’t.
Was thinking the same about you what game were you watching. Then again when you start by saying he copped a dodgy free or he had X amount of disposals shows that you're quite simply trying to downplay his game. Luckily, many posters on BF and PRE had him in their best 5, so it's not just me it's many. He's kicked a few goals, dished off a few, and defensively very sound what else do you want from a half-forward?
Junior had 4 disposals against Carlton. Banks 5 against Port and subbed. Lefau had 5 V Port and didn't trouble the scoreboard. Your reasoning that he should be doing more doesn't make sense when others are doing less. We need goal-kicking small-med forwards and Cumbo fits the bill. Hard at it. Strong one-on-one, quick and kicks goals.
These were the 5 best tigers V GC In this order;
McAuliffe
Naismith
Sonsie
Raphsmith
Cumberland
The rules and expectations for Cumbo seem higher than what others need to do to get games.
A small to med forward who kicks 2-3 goals, a few goal assists and is defensively minded you cant ask for more, well unless your name is Noah Cumberland.
Against Carlton in the pracccy game, I thought Cumbo did well. Also, the game where he kicked 3 goals and 3 goal assists wasn't enough
Now if Junior got those same stats you know he'd be straight in, then again he's in with not even close to cumbos stats this preseason. Banks produces not much but gets games. Ralpsmith could play his role in his sleep and at least is performing in the ressies. Lefau lets face it it was a good story was rapt for him to get on the list but by no means should have gotten a debut on his current ressies form
The rules and expectations for Cumbo seem higher than what others need to do to get games.
A small to med forward who kicks 2-3 goals, a few goal assists and is defensively minded you cant ask for more, well unless your name is Noah Cumberland.
Against Carlton in the pracccy game, I thought Cumbo did well. Also, the game where he kicked 3 goals and 3 goal assists wasn't enough
Now if Junior got those same stats you know he'd be straight in, then again he's in with not even close to cumbos stats this preseason. Banks produces not much but gets games. Ralpsmith could play his role in his sleep and at least is performing in the ressies. Lefau lets face it it was a good story was rapt for him to get on the list but by no means should have gotten a debut on his current ressies form
My view on Cumbo is that I like him and he COULD be very good, BUT the way the game is played right now is based around team defence. We didn't get it done in the 1's last week either, so should have been a big focus in training this week so lets see how team defence goes on Sunday, but this has been a recurrent theme with Cumbo, is defensive intent. Team defence is valued much higher than anything, whats the point in kicking 2 goals, if your lack of defensive focus, allows players to attack into space the other day and could lead to opportunities to the opposition far bigger than the 2 goals kicked.
I think thats what the coaches have seen (and multiple coaches) rather than some innane conspiracy theory that Livingstone doesn't like him and won't allow him to be played.
Noah has great talent with the ball, though needs to make sure he doesn't drop his head like he has in previous years after a mistake, AFL is a mistakes business, you need to learn to let the mistake go and move onto the next contest which is something he has struggled with in the past.
Now if our team defence continues as poorly as it was at times last week, then we need to continue to rotate those that won't do the team defence thing. People say why are we prioritising Mansell etc over Cumbo and its down to team defence, similar to Maurice. Now I don't really get the Maurice love from the coaches as much, obviously team defence from him is pretty good, but he just has no idea of where to be going the other way, so for me, 1 doesn't outweigh the other, likewise for Cumbo, 1 doesn't outweigh the other. I'd personally have neither of them in the team right now, but for me Cumbo should be ahead of Maurice, so this selection does bemuse me.
