Biggest change needed in training. When any player takes a mark, don't walk back with your back to the game. Turn around walk or run backwards, you will get a more of a look at the setup downfield, we will probably move the game faster
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When you take a mark turn around straight away.
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Yep one of the first things you are taught as a youngster dont turn your back on play after a mark. A basic of footy at all levels.
It's team instruction for the mids running forward to 'call' the marking player to stop, by putting their hand in front of them.
Instead, these running mids should also look down the field (as the mark has just been completed and the marking player is just landing) and if someone is free scream 'go long go right!', or if it's clogged up, tell the marking player to stop (in case he plays on).
The runners can be the eyes of the marker to speed up decision making by limiting the marker's options, but our current instruction seems to be to stop and take a long range set shot at every opportunity.
Instead, these running mids should also look down the field (as the mark has just been completed and the marking player is just landing) and if someone is free scream 'go long go right!', or if it's clogged up, tell the marking player to stop (in case he plays on).
The runners can be the eyes of the marker to speed up decision making by limiting the marker's options, but our current instruction seems to be to stop and take a long range set shot at every opportunity.
Whats the point of being a forward who is a very good kick for goal not having a shot from 30m when Collingwood are very good at getting back quickly and covering holes and players. Vickery did the right thing and had a settled shot. I think there would have been more risk in a rushed pass to a player who was closer. It shows Vickery's confidence....and if it is such a big issue why did Cotch go short when he may have seen the longer option....
Dean Hart Northey said:
Yep, well said!
We had a loose player running free into the square, but if TV hadn't turned his back, hence saw him, he would still have to move a bit to give himself space to execute....TV isn't the fastest player, do by the time the ball got to the square, it would have been a contest.....or , TV may have messed it up due the pressure in trying to move the ball quickly...
As said, it's his bread and butter, and he was playing on confidence gained from earlier good things during the game..
Good on him.......
He did 100% the right thing. No panic, 35 out straight in front. Took a deep breath, settled & kicked straight - exactly what he's expected to do. In Roos bombers match a druggies player played on about same time of the match instead of taking the settling free kick. He has been criticized for not taking the set shot. Not exactly the same situation as Vickery but concept of not panicking when the game is close late in the last quarter and taking the right option went a long way to us winning and bombers losing.
Well done Ty.
Well done Ty.
I think a few on here have bought Hardwick's spin to protect Ty.
He marked it at 35, kicked it from about 45/50 out, slight angle - this is generally a 50-60% chance at goal.
Grigg didn't have a Collingwood player within 40 metres of him. Nobody was going to close in on him. Even a dud kick to Grigg is a goal 95% of the time
95% = 1 in 20 end up as a point
60% = 8 in 20 end up as a point
Inevitably one day the same scenario will occur in reverse. We all know what everyone would say then :hihi
Let's just say we're lucky it worked out this time. Essentially, our win came down to the statistical equivalent of flipping a coin because of Tyrone's inability to play the percentages to our maximum advantage. Pat him on the back this time, he won the game.
But I wouldn't want 50% / 60% scoring attempts to become automatic set shots 100% of the time within our forward line. We need to value higher percentage scoring attempts.
He marked it at 35, kicked it from about 45/50 out, slight angle - this is generally a 50-60% chance at goal.
Grigg didn't have a Collingwood player within 40 metres of him. Nobody was going to close in on him. Even a dud kick to Grigg is a goal 95% of the time
95% = 1 in 20 end up as a point
60% = 8 in 20 end up as a point
Inevitably one day the same scenario will occur in reverse. We all know what everyone would say then :hihi
Let's just say we're lucky it worked out this time. Essentially, our win came down to the statistical equivalent of flipping a coin because of Tyrone's inability to play the percentages to our maximum advantage. Pat him on the back this time, he won the game.
But I wouldn't want 50% / 60% scoring attempts to become automatic set shots 100% of the time within our forward line. We need to value higher percentage scoring attempts.
Pretty sure there was massive angst over Richo n D Rod flubbing a simple give n goal a few years back. There's been more than a few occasions over the last couple of years where Jaaack has been a bit to cute following Dimma's goal sharing requirements that have caused plenty of ranting about forwards not taking their shot n creating turn overs from certain goals.
Bloody certain that every Tiger fan parked a skid mark when Morris FFS played on from a mark thirty out dead in front n got collared, pure arse that KMac managed to salvage the goal. Ty did exactly what a key forward is supposed to do in that situation. Clunked the mark thirty out on stuff all angle, went back, composed himself n kicked the goal. That's his job, the position he's being asked to play by the coach n team mates. No panic, no fluff n fiddling around, no taking extra risks or forcing possible errors trying to rush or create unexpected situations. Simple straight up key forward possession n goal.
Bloody certain that every Tiger fan parked a skid mark when Morris FFS played on from a mark thirty out dead in front n got collared, pure arse that KMac managed to salvage the goal. Ty did exactly what a key forward is supposed to do in that situation. Clunked the mark thirty out on stuff all angle, went back, composed himself n kicked the goal. That's his job, the position he's being asked to play by the coach n team mates. No panic, no fluff n fiddling around, no taking extra risks or forcing possible errors trying to rush or create unexpected situations. Simple straight up key forward possession n goal.
mld said:
That's usually because there are 50 players inside 50 and we know it's impossible for anyone to lead. FWIW i subscrobe to the "you're a key forward, have a shot" group, and TV is one of our better shots at goal.
mld said:
You want Griffths to lob 50m handballs over the top?
I actually thought that if Vickery had turned around ha was a pretty good chance of stuffing it up. I thought it was 50/50 that the Coll defender wouldve closed Grigg down. First thing I screamed was have a shot.
Thank *smile* he kicked it anyway. Had his tail up after his other shots and was kicking well.
I think it was good that TV had the confidence to take responsibility and kick the goal. Hardwick did joke On The Couch 'have you seen his field kicking?' I know Richo said he couldn't watch, but for some weird reason I never expected the ball to do anything other than sail through for a goal.ToraToraTora said:
