When do people change their minds.

[RoarEmotion]

This board is often a lot of people pretty much stuck in their beliefs doubling and tripling down on their world view.

I’m really interested in when people have had their minds changed. What led up to this? How did it happen?

Any aetheists that became devoutly religious? Vice versa?

Anyone who thought coronavirus was a hoax and then changed their mind.

Anyone who thought being PC was bs and then thought it was actually quite important? Or VV.

Anyone who is curious may be interested in This podcast which explores this topic as well. https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirec.../39E17/traffic.megaphone.fm/HSW6393684538.mp3

I think it’s an important topic with social media subtly selling mind control on large swathes of the world. If we don’t seek to understand each other, then we are just flailing at windmills.

 

[eZyT]

This board is often a lot of people pretty much stuck in their beliefs doubling and tripling down on their world view.

I’m really interested in when people have had their minds changed. What led up to this? How did it happen?

Any aetheists that became devoutly religious? Vice versa?

Anyone who thought coronavirus was a hoax and then changed their mind.

Anyone who thought being PC was bs and then thought it was actually quite important? Or VV.

Anyone who is curious may be interested in This podcast which explores this topic as well. https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirec.../39E17/traffic.megaphone.fm/HSW6393684538.mp3

I think it’s an important topic with social media subtly selling mind control on large swathes of the world. If we don’t seek to understand each other, then we are just flailing at windmills.

great thread RE.

Ive changed quite a few viewpoints over the years.

1. I was homophobic in my teenage years. probably verbally violent. No excuses but I think most teenage males were in my generation. It was all about uncertainty of your own sexuality. learning my favourite uncle was gay at about 20 changed my POV. Sorry.

2. In my early 30s, I thought Paralympics were an absurd concept and waste of money. I didn't care who could run fastest with no legs. I wanted to see who ran fastest with 2 legs. Now I see Paralympics largely incredibly people who have overcome adversity and more worthy of respect than those who won a genetic lottery.

3. I used to hate Carlton the most in the league by a mile. Now its Collingwood.

4. I used to think when my wife of near 30 years and I fought, it was her. Now I know its probably 75% me.

5. At start of Covid, I thought it was a storm in a teacup (def not a hoax). Now I know I was Wrong.

6. When I was a really small child, I thought face washers where for sucking on to get a drink and I thought tomato sauce was for cooling pies down.

7. I was a vegetarian for 14 years on ethical ground, now im a beef farmer

8. in my 20's, I was morally opposed to blood and organ donation, arguing it was about humans obsession with living too long. Now im pretty indifferent. I'd donate blood if theres a shortage and dont really care what happens to my dead body.

9. I always thought the Earth was a gigantic place. Then I circumnavigated it, and realised its a very small ball.

10. I used to think Jayden Short had terminal limitations to his football. Wrong again

theres ten in a minute. quite a few more I cant reel off. but theres heaps.

I tend to think if you have all the same beliefs in your 40's as you had in your 20's, your not thinking enough

I've learnt not to hold too tightly on to my POV, cause its fluid and possibly wrong. One that I hold loosely at the moment that I reckon I'll change is im a bit intolerant and ignorant of the modern gender and sexuality stuff. I suspect im wrong.

Theres some of my POV's around equality and social justice and race, particularly black Australia, and the dichotomy of politics, that havnt changed in 40 years, probably because they are right.

I also think 95% of people are good, but the 5% bad ones yell.

the older I get, the more I think about the Bell curve.

 

[Ralphie]

I was once a fan of Trump early apprentice days but before he ran for president I found out he didn't pay trades and was turned off him. After 4 years of him being president, I hate his guts

 

[Midsy]

When I was younger, I was very much a Courtney Cox fan. Not sure when or why, but I’m most definitely a Jennifer Aniston man now.

 

[Giardiasis]

I used to be a neo-con basically, supported US foreign policy (Iraq war, Afghanistan, etc.), thought the Allies were the good guys in WW1 and WW2, etc.

 

[Ian4]

1. I was homophobic in my teenage years. Me too I'm ashamed to admit. I put it down to ignorance.

5. At start of Covid, I thought it was a storm in a teacup (def not a hoax). Now I know I was Wrong. Me too. some of my early posts in the Coronavirus thread will show this.

7. I was a vegetarian for 14 years on ethical ground, now im a beef farmer As a leftie, I think the most ridiculous left leaning ideal is vegetarianism/veganism. The food chain is part of nature. However, I have significantly reduced my meat consumption due to the effects on the environment. I just eat meat for dinner now.

8. in my 20's, I was morally opposed to blood and organ donation, arguing it was about humans obsession with living too long. Now im pretty indifferent. I'd donate blood if theres a shortage and dont really care what happens to my dead body. My ex fiancé was Buddhist. I wanted to be an organ donor, but she refused to be my witness and discouraged me from being a donor. But I signed up after we broke up.

This is a good thread. But to me, answer the question "when do i change my mind" is pretty simple. I will change my mind based on supporting evidence. Or in other words, follow the science. Follow the evidence. Show me the proof.

Anyone who makes a claim about an issue (god is real, ghosts are real, psychics can speak to the dead, vaccines cause autism, the USA election was rigged) have the burdon of proof and need to prove their claim if they wanna convince me. Or I will reserve my right to mock them.

thought the Allies were the good guys in WW1 and WW2, etc.

thats a really good one

 

[eZyT]

Anyone who makes a claim about an issue (god is real, ghosts are real, psychics can speak to the dead, vaccines cause autism, the USA election was rigged) have the burdon of proof and need to prove their claim if they wanna convince me. Or I will reserve my right to mock them.



thats a really good one

Theres another one; I never beleived in god until Sept 30 2017

 

[RoarEmotion]

This is a good thread. But to me, answer the question "when do i change my mind" is pretty simple. I will change my mind based on supporting evidence. Or in other words, follow the science. Follow the evidence. Show me the proof.

Anyone who makes a claim about an issue (god is real, ghosts are real, psychics can speak to the dead, vaccines cause autism, the USA election was rigged) have the burdon of proof and need to prove their claim if they wanna convince me. Or I will reserve my right to mock them.



thats a really good one

Ian I agree in general. But I also believe in things I haven’t seen the evidence for myself Or even fully comprehend (even though I’m an engineer nerd). e=mc^2 For example. There Just isn’t time to fully understand everything.

im very much an atheist and go with argument that if you burned all the books in the world and MIB everyone with the memory wiper then 1000 years later the books of science reappear and so do books of religion (but different ones). But like you if someone came up with evidence (double blind scientific test stuff) then Im certainly open to it.

i guess not all of us are wired that way by our various upbringings.

I found it interesting in the pod link that they basically found that by getting people to self admit they didn’t fully understand something it opened up the possibility of learning something new. I think this will become more important than ever over the next decade - the ability to create curiosity.

 

[Ian4]

Ian I agree in general. But I also believe in things I haven’t seen the evidence for myself Or even fully comprehend (even though I’m an engineer nerd). e=mc^2 For example. There Just isn’t time to fully understand everything.

good point. and this is the realm where probability comes into it. eg. we haven't proved life on other celestial bodies yet, but the probably they exist is 100% based on the numbers alone.

as for e=mc^2, if you don't understand it, then you can at least accept that the science community consider it as fact. The evidence is overwhelming. Personally, I think the basic understanding is easy enough (that energy and mass are interchangeable and that the 4 dimensions combine to create spacetime). Where is gets complicated is how it relates to gravity, and how gravity distorts spacetime, creates supernovas, black holes, neutron stars, gravitational waves, etc.

I personally find neutron stars to be the most fascinating thing in the universe.

 

[RoarEmotion]

I don't know about changing minds but in my experience, being able to humanise a concept is the key to empathy and understanding.

When I was lucky enough to get to know some indigenous people it changed the way I thought about the issues facing them. The same with gay people and many other minority groups.

Without that humanisation it is easy to make superficial judgements and remove yourself from the fact that they are real people who are suffering and that what you say and do matters to them. It impacts on their life, their happiness and their ability to feel like they are a valued member of the world we all share.

This is spot on. Id read there was work done with hospital administrators to talk to families of deceased due to lack of surgeon hand washing. When it goes from being a number to being a person then it makes a difference.

I’ve worked mainly around hazardous environments and safety messages always more powerful when someone who has been impacted by not following a rule talks about the consequences.

COVID has been tough with much of the suffering behind closed doors

I’m sure the ‘bring out your dead’ plagues didn’t have people thinking it was a hoax.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I thought Dimma should have been sacked in 2016. I've changed my mind since.


Seriously I think most of us change our minds as we get older. Some mellow in their thinking & some double down.

I've become a lot less interested in a lot of subjects (religion & politics in particular) so probably fall into the mellowing category.

These days I'm far more accepting of difference than I was but I'd like to think that's also a cultural shift of the majority of Australians.

 

[eZyT]

This seems to be a safe space for ideas, so Ill share a recent belief.

I was reading about a new type of gender/sexuality the other day;

asexual - which means the person has no sexual attraction to anyone or thing.

yeah, fine, no worries. I understand and accept that and actually dont care.

but then the credible article went on to assert a sub category

asexual people who enjoy sex. They aren't attracted to anyone, but enjoy sex.

Now, again, that doesn't impact on me and I dont really care if an asexual person chooses promiscuity,

the same as I dont care if someone wants to be a highly gregarious hermit,

but im not really swallowing the categorization?

It seems kind of stupid at best? or a ruse to get gullible people in bed at worst? (oh yes darling of course im asexual, sliding this thingy in and out of tight spaces is just a hobby I do when I cant sleep)

but maybe one day, I'll realise I was wrong, and owe asexual people of high libido, an apology?

I dunno?

if im being honest, this stuff (along with eastern suburbs skinny uptight veganism) is kind of my Achilles heel when it comes to being open minded and tolerant.

 

[Ian4]

I thought Dimma should have been sacked in 2016. I've changed my mind since.

Thats another interesting debate. To this day i still swear Dimma should have been sacked after 2016. History shows the club got it right and I was wrong, but thats not to say we would not have had success if Caracella or Leppa were coach. Anyway, I can't begrudge Dimma of his incredible achievements since...

When it comes to footy, I have this rule... It doesn't matter how bad the team is, you should be able to make the finals after 4 years (Dimma got us there in year 4). And if you haven't won a flag after 7 years, its time to say goodbye (2016 was year 7 and it looked like we were going nowhere).

 

[RoarEmotion]

Thats another interesting debate. To this day i still swear Dimma should have been sacked after 2016. History shows the club got it right and I was wrong, but thats not to say we would not have had success if Caracella or Leppa were coach. Anyway, I can't begrudge Dimma of his incredible achievements since...

When it comes to footy, I have this rule... It doesn't matter how bad the team is, you should be able to make the finals after 4 years (Dimma got us there in year 4). And if you haven't won a flag after 7 years, its time to say goodbye (2016 was year 7 and it looked like we were going nowhere).

Seeing is definitely believing. I thought dimma couldn’t change his mind at end of 2016 (selection / game plan). He changed my mind.

 

[MD Jazz]

Great thread.

1. Grew up in country, was taught aboriginals were to be feared and avoided. They were nothing but thieves and drunks. No one gave them a break. Some very talented aboriginal guys were never really given a chance. Suicide was common. Anyone who thinks they should just "get over it" has rocks in their head.

2. Was a socialist in my youth before coming to the understanding it doesn't work. Any sort of power corrupts people. Life should be about individual freedom and respect for both life/property etc. The older I get the more I am disillusioned with the lack of responsibility people are willing to take for their actions. It appears easier tyo blame someone else.

3. Grew up a catholic and always believed in god until i came to Melb and got exposed to different people and ideas. Realise the danger of religion. Cause of almost every war dispute in history.

4. Always barracked for the cowboys in westerns. Realise Indians were dispossessed much the same as many indigenous peoples.

5. Wasn't necessarily homophobic but definitely used expressions like *smile*/gay as put downs when growing up. Lived with a couple of gay guys when older and realised how ignorant I was. They didn't "choose" to be gay. They didn't want to *smile* every guy around and faced the same issues as everyone else and more. They couldn't hold hands or show affection in public without attracting attention. Many still think they are all peadophiles and not to be trusted around children - especially gay men and boys. Great thing is my kids have grown up knowing a number of gay couples and it isn't considered anything but normal to them.

6. Was a dimma should be sacked man in 2016. Was a Houli doubter. Was a Short doubter (still have some reservations).

7. Grew up thinking vulnerability in men was a sign of weakness. Asking for help and showing emotion was for pussies. How wrong I was. Vulneravbility is often a sign of strength. Connection is the most important human need, and have learnt it requires honesty and vulnerability. I always believed people couldn't/didn't change but have learnt we all can - albeit slowly.

 

[Sintiger]

There is probably not a person who hasn't changed as they got older, experience of things does that to us. That can be both good and bad of course.

Apart from the odd person "finding god" I don't think I have seen a person change major views quickly, it usually takes some time

 

[eZyT]

There is probably not a person who hasn't changed as they got older, experience of things does that to us. That can be both good and bad of course.

Apart from the odd person "finding god" I don't think I have seen a person change major views quickly, it usually takes some time

I had an uncle who barracked for Richmond as a child, like every child in our family for four generations.

he got kicked in the head by a horse at 9, and woke up barracking for Carlton, and was the only member of a huge family (50 or so first cousins with 1/16th of their DNA the same as Jack Dyer) that didnt barrack for Richmond, and he stayed that way for the next 70 years.

needless to say, he was a puzzle and the source of our pity. Even in 1982 we felt sorry for him, because he was alone drinking the least palatable flavour of joy

then on his death bed, he called my father to come closer. My dad moved a few oxygen tubes and leaned in to hear his oldest brothers final words

and this is what he whispered in my fathers ear, punctuated with a gasp;

'I barrack for Richmond now'

 

[Baloo]

There is probably not a person who hasn't changed as they got older, experience of things does that to us. That can be both good and bad of course.

Apart from the odd person "finding god" I don't think I have seen a person change major views quickly, it usually takes some time

Is Donald Trump God? I know people who went from sane, worldly, educated, tolerant and open minded to wall building, close minded MAGA heads in a very short space of time.

 

[Brodders17]

Is Donald Trump God?

He thinks he is, and it appears so do many of his disciples.

 

[RoarEmotion]

This interesting on how people get into QAnon. I still haven’t comprehended fully how people get into this *smile* and believe it. This is kind of the reverse of MDJazz’s awesome post above where people start believing what to those on the outside see as crazy *smile*.

I watched the netflix social dilemma show then googled the creator of it and found his podcast.


https://your-undivided-attention.simplecast.com/episodes/the-world-according-to-q-XFVJAV19