What do the tigers stand for in 2019?

[yandb]

Comparing us to 2017 where we stood for certain values and tactics, what do we stand for in 2019?

2017 we stood for

Team first.

Pressure.

Run to link up.

Player in a better position gets the kick at goal.

In 2019 we stand for

????

????

????

Celebrating the first goal of a new player.



If you don't stand for something you stand for nothing!!!!!!!!!


We don't stand for team first with too many players accumulating stats that don't advantage the team.

Too many forwards taking a shot on goal with better options available.

Run to link up is still there

Pressure shows up every two or thee games.




Don't use the injury excuse as if the players have been drilled in the Richmond way then they all should be on the same page.

Injuries may have cost us wins but not some of the shambolic displays we have put on this year.

Our coaching staff and leadership group need to put the players on notice that there are some non negotiables in regards to team rules and tactics.

Players in better positions should get the ball, I'm talking to you Baker, Butler, Bolton and Dusty.

Team first, this covers a few subjects one being when it is your turn to go put your head over the ball then you put your head over the ball I'm talking to you Houli four times in a half of football.

Team first, this one covers stat chasers, players who look to pad their stats and not to the teams advantage once a couple of players are allowed to do this others join in. I am talking to you Baker, Bolton, Ellis and Houli.

Pressure feel free to name culprits.

If the clubs doesn't address the issues the it will spread like a cancer through the playing group. (maybe it already has)

 

[MD Jazz]

Injuries.

 

[amc11]

I respect your absolute right to have and express your own opinion and I understand for many supporters the last couple of losses have hit hard but I can't find it within myself to agree with the state of the club or playing group.

I am a complete optimist and to me the enormity of both the number of our injuries and the caliber of players does have a massive impact. Unless we are part of the inner sanctum, any opinions we express are just that - opinions - so we can speculate all we like about the state of the club and what we stand for in 2019, the playing group and the 22 who take the field each week but the reality is we don't know what each player's KPIs are, what the expectations of the coaches and leadership group are and how they are internally handling all the challenges this season is throwing up.

A soldier out / soldier in is great in theory - in practice like for like is very hard to replicate. Reasons are not excuses, they are simply fact. You cannot replace 200 games of Alex Rance or 250 games of Jack Riewoldt or 223 games of Trent Cotchin knowledge, experience and leadership (plus all the others) and expect to get the same output consistently. Remember for some matches we had 1300 games of experience missing. When that ability to put the same team on the park week in week out is removed constantly the ripple effect spreads and magnifies.

Keep in mind the rule changes this season and which club those changes seem designed to impact the most!!!! Add to that the sheer number of players used so far this season and you start to realise why the effortless connection of late 2017 and 2018 appears to have fallen away. Just like watching the game compared to playing the game is so totally different, so too is coming up from VFL to AFL even if the gameplan is very similar. The pace, the ground, the crowd, timing of the game, adjusting to the nuances of your teammates, and immature bodies no matter how skillful will be inconsistent throughout the ebb and flow of an AFL game. The restriction of the runners has far more impact on those teams fielding young sides. Our onfield leaders are having to not only play their own games but also instruct and help position their less experienced teammates.

I refuse to believe any AFL player whether they be on my team or the opposition enter the field to lose, make mistakes, display poor skills or poor decision making. Most of us will never fully understand the pressure to perform in an elite sport and how not only physical fatigue but mental fatigue plays a big part in those skill errors etc. Some of us can remember times when the harder we tried, the worse we seemed to perform and the added or perceived pressure we put onto ourselves due to trying to lift others around us weighs us down even more.

I fully expect our club, coaches, and players to be strengthened long term by the injury situation they are facing now, regardless of what happens for the remaining games this season. Real strength becomes much more apparent through adversity regardless of the win/loss ratio, and to me Richmond are displaying strong leadership both on and off the field. :clap :hearton :clap

 

[saigon tiger]

Should hit inside targets!
*smile*

 

[gold1]

Injuries.

Yep.enough said.

 

[artball]

Injuries.

was going to say 'playing through injuries' ..

 

[easy_tiger]

they lay down all night.

 

[yandb]

I respect your absolute right to have and express your own opinion and I understand for many supporters the last couple of losses have hit hard but I can't find it within myself to agree with the state of the club or playing group.

I am a complete optimist and to me the enormity of both the number of our injuries and the caliber of players does have a massive impact. Unless we are part of the inner sanctum, any opinions we express are just that - opinions - so we can speculate all we like about the state of the club and what we stand for in 2019, the playing group and the 22 who take the field each week but the reality is we don't know what each player's KPIs are, what the expectations of the coaches and leadership group are and how they are internally handling all the challenges this season is throwing up.

A soldier out / soldier in is great in theory - in practice like for like is very hard to replicate. Reasons are not excuses, they are simply fact. You cannot replace 200 games of Alex Rance or 250 games of Jack Riewoldt or 223 games of Trent Cotchin knowledge, experience and leadership (plus all the others) and expect to get the same output consistently. Remember for some matches we had 1300 games of experience missing. When that ability to put the same team on the park week in week out is removed constantly the ripple effect spreads and magnifies.

Keep in mind the rule changes this season and which club those changes seem designed to impact the most!!!! Add to that the sheer number of players used so far this season and you start to realise why the effortless connection of late 2017 and 2018 appears to have fallen away. Just like watching the game compared to playing the game is so totally different, so too is coming up from VFL to AFL even if the gameplan is very similar. The pace, the ground, the crowd, timing of the game, adjusting to the nuances of your teammates, and immature bodies no matter how skillful will be inconsistent throughout the ebb and flow of an AFL game. The restriction of the runners has far more impact on those teams fielding young sides. Our onfield leaders are having to not only play their own games but also instruct and help position their less experienced teammates.

I refuse to believe any AFL player whether they be on my team or the opposition enter the field to lose, make mistakes, display poor skills or poor decision making. Most of us will never fully understand the pressure to perform in an elite sport and how not only physical fatigue but mental fatigue plays a big part in those skill errors etc. Some of us can remember times when the harder we tried, the worse we seemed to perform and the added or perceived pressure we put onto ourselves due to trying to lift others around us weighs us down even more.

I fully expect our club, coaches, and players to be strengthened long term by the injury situation they are facing now, regardless of what happens for the remaining games this season. Real strength becomes much more apparent through adversity regardless of the win/loss ratio, and to me Richmond are displaying strong leadership both on and off the field. :clap :hearton :clap

AMC fantastic reply post, you have put a deal of time and effort into the reply but you have ignored many of the points raised in the original post.

It is not the losses that is important it is in those losses exactly what do we stand for in those games.

Some of the most selfish acts and the padding of stats since 2017 have occurred this year in our losses, blaming it on injuries glosses over the lack of culture this season from players within the playing group.

There are many players who still hold to that 2017/18 culture but when senior players deviate from this culture how can you expect the new players to embrace it.

If we loose playing the Richmond, while we are disappointed we can take hope in the improvement of younger players (some of whom are better players than the senior players they have replaced)

When we loose degenerating into a rabble as players don't go when it is their turn, players padding out their stats, players being selfish or players not playing the the teams advantage it is so disheartening.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

The coaches need to look at what they're trying to implement also.

We somehow need to tweek the game style so that it suits our personnel and gets us ahead of the curve again.

It could be a bit late for that though.

 

[mrposhman]

AMC fantastic reply post, you have put a deal of time and effort into the reply but you have ignored many of the points raised in the original post.

It is not the losses that is important it is in those losses exactly what do we stand for in those games.

Some of the most selfish acts and the padding of stats since 2017 have occurred this year in our losses, blaming it on injuries glosses over the lack of culture this season from players within the playing group.

There are many players who still hold to that 2017/18 culture but when senior players deviate from this culture how can you expect the new players to embrace it.

If we loose playing the Richmond, while we are disappointed we can take hope in the improvement of younger players (some of whom are better players than the senior players they have replaced)

When we loose degenerating into a rabble as players don't go when it is their turn, players padding out their stats, players being selfish or players not playing the the teams advantage it is so disheartening.

Sorry yandb but you miss the point of what I think AMC was getting at.

Just going back to your original post, you say that you can't use injuries, well that's a massive cop out. We have lost a significant amount of players that built that culture in 2017 and are the core of the quality that we are now missing. Its actually a testament to our structures and team focus that we are 7-5 after 12 rounds with the quality and volume of the personnel we are missing. Melbourne are a good example of the alternative, look like they would take the AFL by storm this year, then lose a few players and their weaker structures / team values result in where they are now, 16th with only 3 wins. I assume you wouldn't prefer this scenario.

I get that you are picking out the best teams in the comp and looking at those losses as you picked out the losses to Collingwood, GWS and Geelong but I think the impact of this is evident, we don't have the personnel to go with these teams with the players we have out. The players are still trying to play that style but don't have the class to do it. Its taxing and does need quality around the ground, Nank, Jack, Lambert and Rance are all massive losses here and incredibly important to how we play. We get away with some of this against weaker teams as our overall team structure is sound, but the class is not there against the best so looks like we cannot play our style. Teams don't want us to pressure and the best teams (without our quality) have enough class to counter this.

I also think you are very harsh on Baker and Bolton in terms of padding stats, I don't see them doing that at all.

 

[yandb]

Actually Posh I didn't mention the teams you have listed, I referred to the losses this year, the lack of adherence to our principles of the last two years and the resultant poor performances.

Of the young players playing this year most were here last season and have been supposedly been embracing the Richmond principles of playing football.

We have some senior players who have been in the list for many years who are supposed to be playing to those principles

If they are not why have those principles in the first place, Bolton of those players mentioned seems to be the only player to have incurred the ire of the selectors.

It is not the losses but the way we loose is that which is important.

 

[mrposhman]

Actually Posh I didn't mention the teams you have listed, I referred to the losses this year, the lack of adherence to our principles of the last two years and the resultant poor performances.

Of the young players playing this year most were here last season and have been supposedly been embracing the Richmond principles of playing football.

We have some senior players who have been in the list for many years who are supposed to be playing to those principles

If they are not why have those principles in the first place, Bolton of those players mentioned seems to be the only player to have incurred the ire of the selectors.

It is not the losses but the way we loose is that which is important.

I understand what you are saying, but you are dismissing injuries as if they don't matter and just saying that we aren't playing the Richmond way.

IMO that style of footy is reliant on certain things, and against the best teams (we have lost to each of the top 3) we need the key pillars in there to ensure that the system doesn't break down. These generally are the better teams defensively and also the teams with a distinct height advantage. Bear in mind we are currently missing our 3 best talls and the injuries absolutely impacts upon that.

I believe we are still trying to play "the Richmond way" of the last few years, but between the players we have out and the quality of the opposition we are struggling to overcome them.

Its no surprise that in the 5 losses, we have generally looked small and for all those losses we were without Rance, all but one (Collingwood) we were without Riewoldt (who was injured in that game) and lately been missing Nank. Against the weaker sides (and smaller sides) we can somewhat cope without, against the best, we get exposed. Failing with the talls, means that our pressure game just doesn't get up.

 

[Rabbia]

You would have to say, as others have already said - an injury list.

And what follows, from that.

 

[MD Jazz]

Don't use the injury excuse as if the players have been drilled in the Richmond way then they all should be on the same page.

So we should be able to play any listed player and be competitive?

 

[Midsy]

It’s also not just the players coming in to cover injuries not being at the same level as those they’ve replaced, but also those that have been role players are now expected to step up and become match winners. Most can’t do that. Injuries hit the team as a whole, not just the 5 or 6 spots that are out.

 

[Bill Haverchuck]

The national anthem?

 

[Bill Haverchuck]

In all seriousness we went into this game with a massive 5 kpp/ruck
3 of them had only played 11 games
1 one of them well underdone
Leaving poor old grimesy as the only experienced fit tall

Not sure what You expected..

 

[Dev Tiger]

The injuries and lack if form have reduced us to being pretty ordinary team. The small forward line isn't working anymore with only Baker in form. The midfield isn't big or hard enough at the moment. The last two weeks they have been smashed in the contest. The backline without Rance and Astbury is exposed. The most important thing is to learn for next year. Look at the best teams Geelong and Collingwood and their list management. The astute pickups like a Roughead as key defensive cover for a throw away pick. Hopefully it will be like 2016. Learn from it and move forward the next season.

 

[Punt n Brunton]

The team lineup has no balance at the moment. Simply cannot play Butler, Castagna, Rioli, Baker, Higgins and Bolton all together, along with someone of Prestia's size in the midfield. The sooner Ross and Collier-Dawkins can hold down a midfield spot, the sooner we can use Martin, Caddy and Cotchin more up forward, thereby removing the need for so many small forwards who go missing for large chunks of, if not entire games.

We need to target a clearance mid and a ready made backup ruck in the trade period.

 

[Tigaman]

Team culture has not changed one bit & they are not a Winx. Put our top 22 on the paddock & we would be running at about 95%. Reality is last game we had 10 out injured & a couple back in not match fit after injuries. It is just tough titties. We have to cop it on the chin & stop nit picking.