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Solid state drives

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Will probably build a new PC from scratch in 2010 and am considering investing in solid state drives (SSD's) in preference to conventional hard drives.

Although some fanciful claims have been made about SSD performance, they do offer some significant advantages over hard drives. As with most things technological though, they seem to involve a few trade-offs. Just wondering if anyone has had real-world experience with SSD's and would like to post their opinions.
 
No experience, it was too expensive when I bought my last laptop.

Do let me know what you find out. I'm considering building a fanless SSD based PC to act as a HTPC.
 
Hi Lee,
If your bulding a desktop, I think a conventional H/D would be the best option.
SSD only viable for rugged / industrial / mobile applications as price/storage is still way out of kilter. Also speed still isnt to where it will be really effective for server applications, think early/mid year they will have some pretty fast options available.
 
dukeos said:
Hi Lee,
If your bulding a desktop, I think a conventional H/D would be the best option.
SSD only viable for rugged / industrial / mobile applications as price/storage is still way out of kilter. Also speed still isnt to where it will be really effective for server applications, think early/mid year they will have some pretty fast options available.

Agree - per gigabyte SS drives are still way too expensive, but that will come down pretty quickly.
 
Baloo said:
Do let me know what you find out.  I'm considering building a fanless SSD based PC to act as a HTPC.

Can't advise specifically on a HTPC, but I'm not ready to take the SSD plunge just yet...

Advantages of SSD's
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- blinding speeds cited by manufacturers
- noiseless
- lower power consumption
- fewer data errors
- Windows 7 optimised for use with

With benefits like these, moving up to SSD's should be a no-brainer for any self-respecting PC enthusiast, cost permitting. Well that's what you'd think...

I'm at the conservative end of the 'enthusiast' category of users - will pay good money for proven, stable components, but am not into risking system meltdown through overclocking or being the guines pig for bleeding edge technology. Although they've been around for almost two years, my research indicates that SSD's still have a few rough edges.

I'm not saying don't buy one - plenty of people are running fast systems successfully off SSD's - it's just that the technology isn't as 'rock solid' as what I'd like.

The cons
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- expensive
- small capacity
- slow write speeds
- real-world performance may not match advertised levels
- performance deteriorates over time

Price - As warned by others, SSD's cost plenty. The cheapest models, at around $150 for a 64GB drive, perform worse than good hard drives; a mid-range 64GB drive costs double that. At around 35-40 times the cost per GB of a quality hard drive, SSD's are impractical for general storage, however one SSD (or perhaps two in a RAID 0 configuration) as an operating system drive might be feasible.

Capacity - Gradually increasing and now available in 1TB models at a cost of $3500. I'll pass. :)

Write speed - Fact is, SSD's read much faster than they write, and real-world Write performance is often on par with, or even below, that of a good hard drive. Again, SSD's appear suited as OS drives, enabling fast boot times and application startups, but not for moving large files around.

Performance - Some users have reported speeds far below manufacturer specifications, and have been left waiting for firmware updates in order to achieve acceptable performance. SSD compatibility seems to be an ongoing problem. Defragging can provide temporary relief but results in drive wear. Also prone to read/write 'locks'. This is a red flag for me - after paying good money for technology, I expect it to work; I don't want to have to tinker.

Degradation - SSD cells are good for a finite number of writes. Firmware utilises 'wear levelling', which distributes the writes evenly on the drive and avoids using the same cells repetitively and thus creating dead spots. The 2-3 year guarantee handed out with SSD's, as opposed to the five years given for top end hard drives, is a concern.

All in all, I suspect SSD's are at least a couple of generations away from ironing out the issues and becoming affordable as mainstream options. The fact that market leaders in Western Digital and Seagate haven't released SSD's yet indicates they are banking on conventional drives to be competitive for a little while yet. At this stage, am leaning toward 2 x 74GB WD Velociraptors in a RAID 0 configuration as my OS drive.

It's a season of change for PC users with the release of Windows 7, new generation chipsets and CPUs, and the latest motherboards sporting USB3 and SATA3. With the right choice of upgrades, you can hopefully be future-proofed for a few years.
 
Thanks for the research. In the case of the HTPC i was looking at SSD purely for the OS and applications. The media would be streamed from the NAS so ideally I wouldn't be limited by the file handling.

But too expensive right now...
 
Have some benchmarks to post after undergoing retail therapy to get over Thursday night's underwhelming performance. These give an idea of read performance of SSD's versus conventional drives.

First image is from an independent review site, using hard drive benchmark HD Tune Pro. Intel's are clearly the best-performing and highest priced SSD's on the market.

intel_ssd_hdtune1.jpg


This is a pair of VelociRaptors (fastest conventional mainstream drives) in a RAID 0 array. Slightly disappointed in the results.

VelociraptorRAID0.jpg


Here's a single VelociRaptor

VelociRaptorsingle.jpg


And a drive using the new SATA 6Gb/s interface (aka "SATA 3") - the Western Digital FAEX2001

CaviarBlackSATAIII.jpg


A good quality SATA 3Gb/s (SATA 2) drive - the Western Digital FALS 1001

CaviarBlackSATAII.jpg
 
Have bitten the bullet and succumbed to SSD temptation, in the form of OCZ's IBIS. A couple of comparisons:

sequential read, Seagate Barracuda XT, SATA 6Gb/s, 2TB (similar class to WD Caviar Black above):

BarracudaXT1.png


sequential read, OCZ IBIS, PCIe, 240GB (not sure why the speeds fluctuate, but the same thing happened on several runs):

IBIS1.png



random read, Seagate Barracuda XT:

BarracudaXT2.png


random read, OCZ IBIS:

IBIS2.png


Look at that drive fly - 672MB/s!
 
wow. Impressive. Need to get serious about building an ATOM based HTPC.
 
Baloo said:
wow. Impressive. Need to get serious about building an ATOM based HTPC.
No need to. Just bought this http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail.jsp?PLLI=957&PI=1461 to replace my Zotac of similar size. Gave the Zotac to my Dad for his desktop and replaced the disk in the new Shuttle with a 60G Vertex2 SSD. The Shuttle has no fans so I now have a *totally* silent playback device. It's just about the perfect HTPC. Load up whatever flavour of Linux you want, make sure you allow vdpau and 720p/1080i playback is easily done.
 
As is always the case, when I start to look at building something, I start small and before I know it I'm redoing my entire setup.

Currently looking at building an Atom Based Unraid server to replace my 2 NAS boxes plus backup external disks. The Super Micro board looks just the ticket with 6 SATA ports. X7SPA-HF-D525

This box will also run sabnzb, sickbeard, couch potato and utorrent.

If I do that, I can get a much lower spec HTPC. Latest Atom, SSD drive, BlueRay disc. Though the super low power sandy bridge CPUs might have me looking at that for either HTPC (which allow me to stream HD Audio) or the Unraid server.

I hate it when I get analysis paralysis.