Scoring breakdown vs GWS

[The Big Richo]

Had a go at looking at where scores came from vs GWS. Safe to say I really miss my old laptop and coding software.

I'm not certain how Champion Data do it, the method I'm using is a score comes from that event unless there is a stoppage or opposition possession in between.

For example the GWS goal from the free kick came from a free on centre wing, they then chipped the ball a couple of times and marked and goaled so I've listed as goal from free.

Likewise one of our goals comes from a stoppage in the defensive 50, followed by a chain to the other end.

Free kicks are another one I'm confused about. I would assume some free kicks count as turnovers, ie if you have the ball and get tackled and called holding the ball, but others eg a high tackle would not be.

For the sake of simplicity I'm not calling any free kicks turnovers but loosing possession ones almost certainly are by Champion Data.

1st Quarter

Taranto .1

1st Quarter	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kicks	Other	Total
Richmond	0.2.2	3.1.19	1.1.7	2.0.12		6.4.40
GWS	0.2.2	1.0.6	0	1.2.8		2.4.16

Taranto watch is one behind from his turnovers thus far (or 2 behinds if you count a holding the ball free as per above.)

 

[The Big Richo]

Couple of hard ones this quarter, one GWS chain from turnover has a free to advantage called, I've left as turnover as it had no impact.

Nankervis toe pokes the ball out at one stage, I assume as that counts as a kick it counts as a turnover.

Taranto gives up 1.1 from turnover, the goal has a scrappy part in it where some may argue the chain is broken but no clean possession which is what I'm using.

Quarter 2	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kicks	Kick-in	Total
Richmond	2.0.12	0	0	0	1.0.6	3.0.18
GWS	3.3.21	0.1.1	0	1.1.7	0	4.5.29

 

[The Big Richo]

3rd Quarter	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kick	Other	Total
Richmond	2.5.17	0.1.1	0	0	0	2.6.18
GWS	1.1.7	1.0.6	0	0.2.2	0	2.3.15

Nothing from Taranto.

 

[The Big Richo]

4th Quarter	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free kick	Kick ins	Total
Richmond	2.3.9	1.0.6	1.1.7	1.1.7		4.5.29
GWS	5.1.31	1.0.6	1.0.6	0.1.1		7.2.44

We had a goal from an out on the full which isn't counted as a free kick in the stats but I have called it a free because I don't know where else to put it.

Nothing from Taranto that quarter.

Giving us a match total of:

	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kick	Kick In	Total
Richmond	6. 9. 46	4. 2. 26	2. 2. 14	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	16. 14. 110
GWS	9. 7. 61	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	2. 6. 18	0	15. 14. 104

What I'm taking out of this is that scores from turnovers are still the key to success, followed by clearance work. Us being well down in both these areas is a concern.

Taranto ended up giving up 1.1 from his 11 turnovers, which is obviously not disastrous, but I did note that against a side with more polish he would have likely given up at least 2 more goals, because a couple of bad ones went unpunished due to the opposition error straight back.

I'll try and keep a track on this over the next couple of weeks and see how it looks.

 

[eddazol]

What was Tarantos score involvements for Richmond.

 

[JimJessTorp]

What was Tarantos score involvements for Richmond.

6

 

[AngryAnt]

4th Quarter	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free kick	Kick ins	Total
Richmond	2.3.9	1.0.6	1.1.7	1.1.7		4.5.29
GWS	5.1.31	1.0.6	1.0.6	0.1.1		7.2.44

We had a goal from an out on the full which isn't counted as a free kick in the stats but I have called it a free because I don't know where else to put it.

Nothing from Taranto that quarter.

Giving us a match total of:

	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kick	Kick In	Total
Richmond	6. 9. 46	4. 2. 26	2. 2. 14	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	16. 14. 110
GWS	9. 7. 61	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	2. 6. 18	0	15. 14. 104

What I'm taking out of this is that scores from turnovers are still the key to success, followed by clearance work. Us being well down in both these areas is a concern.

Taranto ended up giving up 1.1 from his 11 turnovers, which is obviously not disastrous, but I did note that against a side with more polish he would have likely given up at least 2 more goals, because a couple of bad ones went unpunished due to the opposition error straight back.

I'll try and keep a track on this over the next couple of weeks and see how it looks.

good work TBR.

 

[shawry]

ImpressiveTBR. Nice work taking the time to do that.

 

[tigerman]

What was Tarantos score involvements for Richmond.

Taranto is our leading player for score involvements, and T17 in the AFL for score involvements, ahead of the likes Butters, Bontempelli, P Cripps, Dawson and Tom Green.

 

[Brodders17]

We had a goal from an out on the full which isn't counted as a free kick in the stats but I have called it a free because I don't know where else to put it.

That would be a turnover. you kick the ball and the other team gets it.

 

[Brodders17]

Taranto is our leading player for score involvements, and T17 in the AFL for score involvements, a head of the likes Butters, Bontempelli, P Cripps, Dawson and Tom Green.

Yeah, despite playing for a team that struggles to score, he is high up on score involvements, and ranked alongside some of the more "glamorous" players in the league.

 

[AngryAnt]

Taranto is our leading player for score involvements, and T17 in the AFL for score involvements, a head of the likes Butters, Bontempelli, P Cripps, Dawson and Tom Green.

yeah .. this is my intuition - he's involved so much and makes clangers but is really adding much more than he detracts.

I do think though it is a numbers game - like TBR says mistakes may or may not be punished on a particular day, but you still want to make fewer mistakes.

 

[RoarEmotion]

Nice to take the time to do this. Thanks. Now for the suns game.

Percentages important too as absolutes misleading. I personally get less turnovers than Tim on a game and career basis.

 

[MD Jazz]

Would be good to check the other games where his turnovers were high:
Power - 10
Blues - 9
Cats - 8
Suns - 7
Bombers - 7

 

[RoarEmotion]

Would be good to check the other games where his turnovers were high:
Power - 10
Blues - 9
Cats - 8
Suns - 7
Bombers - 7

Who is volunteering? This would be worse than changing your parents' diapers.

 

[Brodders17]

Who is volunteering? This would be worse than changing your parents' diapers.

Ill do the Cats game!

 

[tommystigers]

4th Quarter	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free kick	Kick ins	Total
Richmond	2.3.9	1.0.6	1.1.7	1.1.7		4.5.29
GWS	5.1.31	1.0.6	1.0.6	0.1.1		7.2.44

We had a goal from an out on the full which isn't counted as a free kick in the stats but I have called it a free because I don't know where else to put it.

Nothing from Taranto that quarter.

Giving us a match total of:

	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kick	Kick In	Total
Richmond	6. 9. 46	4. 2. 26	2. 2. 14	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	16. 14. 110
GWS	9. 7. 61	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	2. 6. 18	0	15. 14. 104

What I'm taking out of this is that scores from turnovers are still the key to success, followed by clearance work. Us being well down in both these areas is a concern.

Taranto ended up giving up 1.1 from his 11 turnovers, which is obviously not disastrous, but I did note that against a side with more polish he would have likely given up at least 2 more goals, because a couple of bad ones went unpunished due to the opposition error straight back.

I'll try and keep a track on this over the next couple of weeks and see how it looks.

Thanks TBR.

I don't know why but the scoring opportunities from frees is notable to me. Normally we have Vlastuin giving away the cheap dumb ones that enable a score. With him absent we are maybe saving a goal a game. But still, 8 to 4 is an issue.

 

[The Big Richo]

Thanks TBR.

I don't know why but the scoring opportunities from frees is notable to me. Normally we have Vlastuin giving away the cheap dumb ones that enable a score. With him absent we are maybe saving a goal a game. But still, 8 to 4 is an issue.

Couple of them were unlucky, the Grimes 'duck' and the Rioli high tackle shouldn't have been paid.

Then again I'm sure there would inevitably be a couple more that weren't paid as well.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Giving us a match total of:

	Turnover	Clearance	Centre Clearance	Free Kick	Kick In	Total
Richmond	6. 9. 46	4. 2. 26	2. 2. 14	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	16. 14. 110
GWS	9. 7. 61	3. 1. 19	1. 0. 6	2. 6. 18	0	15. 14. 104

What I'm taking out of this is that scores from turnovers are still the key to success, followed by clearance work. Us being well down in both these areas is a concern.

Taranto ended up giving up 1.1 from his 11 turnovers, which is obviously not disastrous, but I did note that against a side with more polish he would have likely given up at least 2 more goals, because a couple of bad ones went unpunished due to the opposition error straight back.

I'll try and keep a track on this over the next couple of weeks and see how it looks.

Thanks TBR, plenty of work goes into stuff like this, But.

From your numbers, it was only inaccuracy on turnovers caused a notable scoring difference, 15 shots to 16.
Clearances 40 points from 10 shots to 25 from 5 shots in our favour not down at all.

The one area we were massively down in was obviously the shots from free kicks ( what else, thanks umps ). Fortunately we were very accurate from our frees.

 

[The Big Richo]

From your numbers, it was only inaccuracy on turnovers caused a notable scoring difference, 15 shots to 16.
Clearances 40 points from 10 shots to 25 from 5 shots in our favour not down at all.

There's a few aspects to that TM.

One big key is where the turnovers occur. I didn't record it but my feeling is the ones that hurt the most are actually centre-back.

It seems like when you turn the ball over behind the centre the opposition are often able to get a chain going that puts speed on the game and beats the ability of the defence to organise.

Conversely when you turn it over in defensive 50, often there is pressure and congestion and it's a 'dirty' turnover which leads often to a rushed shot on goal.

The other aspect is the quality of the opposition and the ability to make you pay. I'll be interested to see how these figures look when we lose to a good team at some stage.

We were definitely solid at clearance this game as well, maybe a result of a young ruckman and midfield in the opposition or perhaps some different structure under a new coach. One to watch as well.

Another thing I found interesting was that we lost scores from turnovers. When we were in our prime it was a stat that would indicate the result, win scores from turnovers and win the game. Those things can be overblown because there isn't that many ways to score but it will be interesting to see how that looks in other weeks. (Or maybe my stats keeping method was just wrong).