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Reality check - but a good one

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So all the things some of us have been saying have come to pass - the month we have just been through was the world of pain. You can't have 4/6 of your top midfield out and expect the coaches to magic up results using "slingshot defence" and "outside run" or promoting untried mids or even an untried ruckman from the magoos. There are some holes you just can't wallpaper over - you hang tough, do the best you can, maybe jag a win or two. Winning all of the games in this block was totally unrealistic, but we still kept up the W L W L pattern to keep us square.

Good news is we did jag a win or two - the win over the GWS was full of merit. Yeah, we had the edge in age/experience overall, but our 2nd string midfield really stood up in the second half. It took a 4 goal dusty cameo to get us over the line, and a lucky bounce to Rioli - but a great win. Thing is we can't rely on Dusty to do this every week, but I still rank this win up with the Port win in 2019 (IIRC).

Good news - we've tried some young-uns and RCD and HRS in particular look promising. Naish, too early to call but he'll go back to the ressies to work on his stuff. HRS likewise, although he's been ok. More good news - we now have Bakes as a genuine midfield option. I'd still have him in the rotation even when Cotch/Prestia/Bolton come back, although it looks like he'll go wherever required. RCD keeps his spot hopefully - love this kid. Slow? nah.

Forward line disfunction - the problem is not Jack/Lynch, it's mostly the smalls - particularly Jason C. He's really gone missing and is only hanging on by his defensive efforts, which haven't been that great either. Rioli has at least kicked a clutch goal or two. But I'm very confident as we have more quality coming through midfield the problems will self-correct. Adding a third tall is worth an experiment but not necessarily the answer - again it comes down to midfield. Note the Footscray game - Cotchin led the mids to smash Footscray and all of a sudden the forward line clicked. Can the forward line be better? sure. Am I worried? nope.

Defence - the defence have copped a hiding on here, but again as I've stated many times we defend from the forward line back and in particular the midfield. Shorty, well down. Houli, finding form after injury. Astbury, making some mistakes. Broad - a rock but still being beaten by the true talls occasionally. Grimes, hasn't found the same form as last year yet.

Good news though - I have no worries whatsoever about our defence. When your midfield can't cope defensively, the ball comes in more often and better directed. This will correct after the gun mids are back in and the defensive game picks up again.

Midfield -- Graham will be much better with his mates in - he's not ready to be the number one mid yet and/or he's carrying niggles. Ross - needs a spell. Tough on the kid, the circumstances haven't suited him but he needs to show more when given the opportunity. Still not writing him off though. A fit Cotchin, Prestia, Bolton, Lambert and we look the equal of any midfield in the comp again.

Now looking forward. We'll beat Adelaide. If we have some of Cotch/Prestia/Lambert/Bolton back we'll beat Essington. We'll go to the bye 7-5. We are not that differently placed to 2020/2019 - same pattern of dropping some games before the bye, significant injury concerns.

Last thing - Dimma has successfully deployed the "us-against-the-world" card again, aided by the media, the MRP, our good friends the umps and the whole world of AFL fandom who are sick of us winning. This is good. I hope they keep hating.

Assuming we can get top four OR a home final, the only threat I see is the Cats. Port no. Sydney, already peaked and falling. Brisbane, at the G and in finals, nope. Melbourne, reality is catching up. Footscray - great midfield, but defence is too short. And our midfield can make their midfield melt. Eagles, can't win outside Perth.

All is far from lost. And I haven't even really talked about Shai Bolton either.
 
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Who'd have thought having great players missing would cause problems? Well, the imbecilic footy media don't seem to have cottoned on to this.

The media hail Clarkson as the miracle coach, look how he is going with a less than stellar group of players.

Who is in your team matters and matters a hell of a lot. The system can paper over some cracks but gaping canyons are another matter.

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So all the things some of us have been saying have come to pass - the month we have just been through was the world of pain. You can't have 4/6 of your top midfield out and expect the coaches to magic up results using "slingshot defence" and "outside run" or promoting untried mids or even an untried ruckman from the magoos. There are some holes you just can't wallpaper over - you hang tough, do the best you can, maybe jag a win or two. Winning all of the games in this block was totally unrealistic, but we still kept up the W L W L pattern to keep us square.

Good news is we did jag a win or two - the win over the GWS was full of merit. Yeah, we had the edge in age/experience overall, but our 2nd string midfield really stood up in the second half. It took a 4 goal dusty cameo to get us over the line, and a lucky bounce to Rioli - but a great win. Thing is we can't rely on Dusty to do this every week, but I still rank this win up with the Port win in 2019 (IIRC).

Good news - we've tried some young-uns and RCD and HRS in particular look promising. Naish, too early to call but he'll go back to the ressies to work on his stuff. HRS likewise, although he's been ok. More good news - we now have Bakes as a genuine midfield option. I'd still have him in the rotation even when Cotch/Prestia/Bolton come back, although it looks like he'll go wherever required. RCD keeps his spot hopefully - love this kid. Slow? nah.

Forward line disfunction - the problem is not Jack/Lynch, it's mostly the smalls - particularly Jason C. He's really gone missing and is only hanging on by his defensive efforts, which haven't been that great either. Rioli has at least kicked a clutch goal or two. But I'm very confident as we have more quality coming through midfield the problems will self-correct. Adding a third tall is worth an experiment but not necessarily the answer - again it comes down to midfield. Note the Footscray game - Cotchin led the mids to smash Footscray and all of a sudden the forward line clicked. Can the forward line be better? sure. Am I worried? nope.

Defence - the defence have copped a hiding on here, but again as I've stated many times we defend from the forward line back and in particular the midfield. Shorty, well down. Houli, finding form after injury. Astbury, making some mistakes. Broad - a rock but still being beaten by the true talls occasionally. Grimes, hasn't found the same form as last year yet.

Good news though - I have no worries whatsoever about our defence. When your midfield can't cope defensively, the ball comes in more often and better directed. This will correct after the gun mids are back in and the defensive game picks up again.

Midfield -- Graham will be much better with his mates in - he's not ready to be the number one mid yet and/or he's carrying niggles. Ross - needs a spell. Tough on the kid, the circumstances haven't suited him but he needs to show more when given the opportunity. Still not writing him off though.

Now looking forward. We'll beat Adelaide. If we have some of Cotch/Prestia/Lambert/Bolton back we'll beat Essington. We'll go to the bye 7-5. We are not that differently placed to 2020/2019 - same pattern of dropping some games before the bye, significant injury concerns.

Last thing - Dimma has successfully deployed the "us-against-the-world" card again, aided by the media, the MRP, our good friends the umps and the whole world of AFL fandom who are sick of us winning. This is good. I hope they keep hating.

Assuming we can get top four OR a home final, the only threat I see is the Cats. Port no. Sydney, already peaked and falling. Brisbane, at the G and in finals, nope. Melbourne, reality is catching up. Footscray - great midfield, but defence is too short. And our midfield can make their midfield melt. Eagles, can't win outside Perth.

All is far from lost.
Good points all around - just think you are letting Lynch off too lightly. His inability to bring the ball to ground (ie: being outmarked) is killing us and particualrly our small forwards. I reckon there was easily 5 on Friday night!
 
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I'll buy in on the optimism if we hit the bye at 7-5. We might have to win this thing from 5th or 6th on the ladder, but will need a lot to go right, at the right time. Regardless of who's available, the #1 concern to address is our forward 50 entry. It's shambolic.
 
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I'll buy in on the optimism if we hit the bye at 7-5. We might have to win this thing from 5th or 6th on the ladder, but will need a lot to go right, at the right time. Regardless of who's available, the #1 concern to address is our forward 50 entry. It's shambolic.

Understand your caution Punter, I see the Essendon game as a bit of a danger game, they always make us work for that win. But we should have em covered.
 
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The position we're in mirrors 2019. 5-5. Get to 7-5 at the bye. Win the premiership
 
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Good points all around - just think you are letting Lynch off too lightly. His inability to bring the ball to ground (ie: being outmarked) is killing us and particualrly our small forwards. I reckon there was easily 5 on Friday night!

Lynch can defintely be better Bricci... Set shots and competing.
 
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The position we're in mirrors 2019. 5-5. Get to 7-5 at the bye. Win the premiership
Pretty sure we were 7-3 in 2019. But then we lost to North and Geelong (both badly) and the Crows (good effort over there with undermanned team) to go into bye at 7-6 and outside the eight. Won 12 in a row after the bye to win the flag.

If we can be 7-6 after 13 rounds (round 13 in Perth against Eagles) again we should be in good shape as long as our guns stay fit and on the park. It's pretty clear we need most if not all of them if we are to seriously challenge.
 
Pretty sure we were 7-3 in 2019. But then we lost to North and Geelong (both badly) and the Crows (good effort over there with undermanned team) to go into bye at 7-6 and outside the eight. Won 12 in a row after the bye to win the flag.

If we can be 7-6 after 13 rounds (round 13 in Perth against Eagles) again we should be in good shape as long as our guns stay fit and on the park. It's pretty clear we need most if not all of them if we are to seriously challenge.

Yeah, you're right. just took off my socks to help count and 7-6 at the bye. That run home in the 2nd half of the season was pretty special. It will be hard to do it again.

But hey, with a fit squad we can do it. Even 1 or 2 injuries we can handle, as long as one of them isn't Nank
 
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Yeah, you're right. just took off my socks to help count and 7-6 at the bye. That run home in the 2nd half of the season was pretty special. It will be hard to do it again.

But hey, with a fit squad we can do it. Even 1 or 2 injuries we can handle, as long as one of them isn't Nank
Yes we can cover 1-2 injuries but nothing like we have at the moment and certainly not all in one section of the ground such as basically our entire midfield missing at the moment.

But I think we are going to have to do it from outside the top 4. I reckon 16-6 will be needed to get you top 4 this year. 15-7 maybe but you'd need a good percentage and ours is rubbish. It will be hard to make that up as we have lost big in 3 of our 5 losses and we don't ever really win big (Saints the exception this year; we really should have torched Hawthorn as well but took the foot off after quarter time). I think our best case scenario is 14-8 or 15-7 at a stretch.
 
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Yes we can cover 1-2 injuries but nothing like we have at the moment and certainly not all in one section of the ground such as basically our entire midfield missing at the moment.

But I think we are going to have to do it from outside the top 4. I reckon 16-6 will be needed to get you top 4 this year. 15-7 maybe but you'd need a good percentage and ours is rubbish. It will be hard to make that up as we have lost big in 3 of our 5 losses and we don't ever really win big (Saints the exception this year; we really should have torched Hawthorn as well but took the foot off after quarter time). I think our best case scenario is 14-8 or 15-7 at a stretch.

I think beating Geelong in an Elimination Final is the only one we haven't done recently, so I don't mind finishing 5-8 if we get to knock them out early.
 
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So all the things some of us have been saying have come to pass - the month we have just been through was the world of pain. You can't have 4/6 of your top midfield out and expect the coaches to magic up results using "slingshot defence" and "outside run" or promoting untried mids or even an untried ruckman from the magoos. There are some holes you just can't wallpaper over - you hang tough, do the best you can, maybe jag a win or two. Winning all of the games in this block was totally unrealistic, but we still kept up the W L W L pattern to keep us square.

Good news is we did jag a win or two - the win over the GWS was full of merit. Yeah, we had the edge in age/experience overall, but our 2nd string midfield really stood up in the second half. It took a 4 goal dusty cameo to get us over the line, and a lucky bounce to Rioli - but a great win. Thing is we can't rely on Dusty to do this every week, but I still rank this win up with the Port win in 2019 (IIRC).

Good news - we've tried some young-uns and RCD and HRS in particular look promising. Naish, too early to call but he'll go back to the ressies to work on his stuff. HRS likewise, although he's been ok. More good news - we now have Bakes as a genuine midfield option. I'd still have him in the rotation even when Cotch/Prestia/Bolton come back, although it looks like he'll go wherever required. RCD keeps his spot hopefully - love this kid. Slow? nah.

Forward line disfunction - the problem is not Jack/Lynch, it's mostly the smalls - particularly Jason C. He's really gone missing and is only hanging on by his defensive efforts, which haven't been that great either. Rioli has at least kicked a clutch goal or two. But I'm very confident as we have more quality coming through midfield the problems will self-correct. Adding a third tall is worth an experiment but not necessarily the answer - again it comes down to midfield. Note the Footscray game - Cotchin led the mids to smash Footscray and all of a sudden the forward line clicked. Can the forward line be better? sure. Am I worried? nope.

Defence - the defence have copped a hiding on here, but again as I've stated many times we defend from the forward line back and in particular the midfield. Shorty, well down. Houli, finding form after injury. Astbury, making some mistakes. Broad - a rock but still being beaten by the true talls occasionally. Grimes, hasn't found the same form as last year yet.

Good news though - I have no worries whatsoever about our defence. When your midfield can't cope defensively, the ball comes in more often and better directed. This will correct after the gun mids are back in and the defensive game picks up again.

Midfield -- Graham will be much better with his mates in - he's not ready to be the number one mid yet and/or he's carrying niggles. Ross - needs a spell. Tough on the kid, the circumstances haven't suited him but he needs to show more when given the opportunity. Still not writing him off though. A fit Cotchin, Prestia, Bolton, Lambert and we look the equal of any midfield in the comp again.

Now looking forward. We'll beat Adelaide. If we have some of Cotch/Prestia/Lambert/Bolton back we'll beat Essington. We'll go to the bye 7-5. We are not that differently placed to 2020/2019 - same pattern of dropping some games before the bye, significant injury concerns.

Last thing - Dimma has successfully deployed the "us-against-the-world" card again, aided by the media, the MRP, our good friends the umps and the whole world of AFL fandom who are sick of us winning. This is good. I hope they keep hating.

Assuming we can get top four OR a home final, the only threat I see is the Cats. Port no. Sydney, already peaked and falling. Brisbane, at the G and in finals, nope. Melbourne, reality is catching up. Footscray - great midfield, but defence is too short. And our midfield can make their midfield melt. Eagles, can't win outside Perth.

All is far from lost. And I haven't even really talked about Shai Bolton either.
Good post. Also don't forget the umpires. History suggests once we make September they start doing a much better job, and stop costing is games.
 
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If this doesn’t inspire them, nothing will!! What a wa*ker!!
 
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