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Re: Who are our well known/celebrity supporters?
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Don't get the love for Ali. By some accounts, those not distracted by the hype and the glitter, he was a horrible man. His disrespect and treatment of Frasier, cheating on his wife. Yes he may have been able to box, but there are so many other things in life that are far more important and telling of a persons true character. If I was a Muslim I would be ashamed to have him associated with my faith.rinso17 said:
If you want to focus on his negatives, that is treatment of Frazier,tommystigers said:
Ali was the first one to hype boxing and promote it like it had never been promoted before or since. He cast himself knowingly as a polariser. He new there'd be those who hated him ,usually the southern white supremists,and those whod love him ,the down troden and severely racially vilified blacks.
A brave move in a time of assassinations particularly when he would stand up to the white biased attitudes of the time and was a cacti list to altering the changing of attitudes in his time. Even standing up to the US army.
And is he the only celebrity to fall for to groupies? Even the greatest of human kind have fallen to that ultimate temptation.
What has he achieved? Well apart from the achievement of the greatest and most influential representative in his sport, he has been hailed by prestigious organizations such as sport illustrated and many others including the international Olympic committee, ESPN,CBS and a multitude of international sports media organizations as the greatest and most influential sportsman the world has ever known.
Politically he has been involved in middle east peace politics in the 90's and given his time,money and enormous celebrity to all kinds of charity organizations . For decades known as the most popular and recognized person in the world.
rinso17 said:
A few cliches that people have fallen for over the years rinso. His treatment of Frazier was more than just a bit of a negative, it was downright discgraceful.
For a man whom potrayed himself as a hero to the down troden, racially vilified, working class blacks, he sure knew how to use the nasty race card against Joe Frazier. Ironically it was actually Frazier whom more acurately represented this part of America.
Joe Frazier hailed from the desperate poverty of rural, black, South Carolina and had endured back breaking manual work in the crop fields since the age of 10. Ali on the other hand hailed from a lower middle class family (yes not all black people were desperately poor - yet another cliche) in urban Louisville, Kentucky and hadn't worked a day in his life outside the boxing ring. Yet it was Ali whom, somewhat hypocritically, potrayed Frazier as an Uncle Tom and himself as the hero of the working class, vilified black man.
The sadder even more disgraceful thing is that people swallowed it hook line and sinker!
His negatives are his character. The man himself is his own negative.rinso17 said:
He spouted off about Black Power and set himself up as the hero of the black man, labelling Frazier an Uncle Tom, a servant of the white man. Yet Ali repeatedly called Frazier a n***** , and a gorilla, in reference to him being black and dumb, both of which were top of the list redneck racist comments used by white oppression against blacks. Absolute hypocrisy.
He threatened to "kill the gorilla" brandishing a gun at Frazier. He publicly derided Frazier in the press and on TV mocking Frazier and making out that he was mentally deficient. Because of Ali's depiction of him as a "white" black man, Frazier and his family received many death threats.
Ali has been wrapped up in bubble wrap by Hollywood style historians. He was a boxer, not even the greatest, who self labelled himself pretty and a butterfly. As a man he was neither pretty nor a butterfly. He psychologically scarred Frazier for life through his out of the ring treatment of him. Because of Ali, Joe Frazier himself became filled with hatred and animosity, and a lesser man.
Real heroes build men, women and children, they don't destroy them.
The fact that multiple organisations have hailed him speaks volumes about popular culture and the need to idolise individuals while overlooking who or what they really are.
Yassar Arafat won a Nobel Peace Prize. Some think that was a worthy choice. I beg to differ. Arafat was a terrorist. End of rant.
tommystigers said:
I am of the same opinion.
How can anyone think it acceptable to give such an award to a person who was responsible for the killing of so many innocent people on both sides of the conflict. Beggared belief at the time, and still astounds me.
Forget the Ali Frazier stuff.
If you want a real insight into the man, read his autobiography "The Greatest - My Own Story" written with Richard Durham. Then do a bit of internet research on some of the claims in the book.
You'll quickly reach one conclusion, that the title of the book is about the most accurate thing about it. It is his own story, and not one many others seem to be able to relate to. All of the really noteworthy stuff that he uses to portray himself with, like the story of him throwing his Olympic gold medal into a river after a fight with a racist individual, has been largely discredited.
I read the book as a teenager, and bought it hook, line and sinker.
Good luck to Ali, but these days I see Ali as a great boxer, nothing else.
If you want a real insight into the man, read his autobiography "The Greatest - My Own Story" written with Richard Durham. Then do a bit of internet research on some of the claims in the book.
You'll quickly reach one conclusion, that the title of the book is about the most accurate thing about it. It is his own story, and not one many others seem to be able to relate to. All of the really noteworthy stuff that he uses to portray himself with, like the story of him throwing his Olympic gold medal into a river after a fight with a racist individual, has been largely discredited.
I read the book as a teenager, and bought it hook, line and sinker.
Good luck to Ali, but these days I see Ali as a great boxer, nothing else.
I don't understand this topic. Isn't it supposed to discuss our famous/celebrity supporters?
This seems to be talking about the Thriller in Manila instead.
All I can think of is Mick Molloy (gee that's bad that I can only name one tiger fan)... perhaps i don't pay enough attention
This seems to be talking about the Thriller in Manila instead.
All I can think of is Mick Molloy (gee that's bad that I can only name one tiger fan)... perhaps i don't pay enough attention
Curious about the reference to Russell Crowe and I wonder how much he is into Australian football. I saw "A Good Year" recently and there is a scene in that where he bowls a few cricket balls. Clearly, he was unlike most actors I have seen in that situation and he actually looked like he had played the game regularly. A look at his wikipedia page reveals that to be the case (and he is Jeff and Martin Crowe's cousin). In his youth he alternated between New Zealand and Sydney and I presume he is much more into Rugby.
Does anyone know where his affection for the RFC stems from?
Does anyone know where his affection for the RFC stems from?
23.21.159 said:
Easy, we are the best :hihi
No idea really, athough the fact that he supports the Rabbitohs in the NRL might mean he is a fan of the underdog.
23.21.159 said:
On his IMBD bio it says "Is an avid supporter of the AFL team Richmond Tigers."
Here is an old Tweet of his saying he has been a Tiger since a young fella.
https://twitter.com/russellcrowe/statuses/15776589936
George McEncroe, occasional ABC radio host, used to be a Carlton supporter but has switched to Richmond because of some shady behaviours by Carlton personnel including the Judd chicken wing incident. She said this on the ABC conversation hour this morning.
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