Re: 911 Truth Movement

[tigertim]

I wonder what the mods here would say if I were posting offensive outlandish baseless rumours and innuendo about for eg Alex Rance?

Would I be warned not to do so and have my posts removed?

If so i wonder why it's ok to slur Bushes Jeb, George & Marvin, Rumsfeld, Silverstein, Cheney and whoever else has been slurred? They,re real people aren't they? They have rights too. They deserve respect like everyone else? Or is it ok to do when they are big bad Americans and live on the other side of the world? They're open slather?

I wonder if I slurred the Dalia Lama would it be ok? If I slurred Jim Stynes?

Just wondering, that's all.

 

[Rosy]

I wonder what the mods here would say if I were posting offensive outlandish baseless rumours and innuendo about for eg Alex Rance?

Would I be warned not to do so and have my posts removed?

If so i wonder why it's ok to slur Bushes Jeb, George & Marvin, Rumsfeld, Silverstein, Cheney and whoever else has been slurred? They,re real people aren't they? They have rights too. They deserve respect like everyone else? Or is it ok to do when they are big bad Americans and live on the other side of the world? They're open slather?

I wonder if I slurred the Dalia Lama would it be ok? If I slurred Jim Stynes?

Just wondering, that's all.

It's a very difficult, time-consuming and often thankless task moderating a forum tim. We come under heaps of abuse. Sometimes it seems a no-win situation but we try our best. I don't know the answer to the above. We try to set some boundaries while allowing freedom of speech. We'll never be perfect or please everyone. Could you please tell us what you reckon and what you think should/could be done about it?

P.S. I think our players are slurred heaps on here unfortunately.

 

[tigertim]

It's a very difficult, time-consuming and often thankless task moderating a forum tim. We come under heaps of abuse. Sometimes it seems a no-win situation but we try our best. I don't know the answer to the above. We try to set some boundaries while allowing freedom of speech. We'll never be perfect or please everyone. Could you please tell us what you reckon and what you think should/could be done about it?

I meant to write that this wasn't a go at the mods. I've said before I fully appreciate the work you/they do.

I wasn't expecting an solution it was something of a rhetorical question.

Why are some people allowed to have their names sullied but some aren't?

Yes, our players are slurred here and I've been guilty of that but calling a player a dud and insinuating someone is covering up murders, and are a party to acts of terrorism among other theories is a different thing.

 

[Rosy]

I meant to write that this wasn't a go at the mods. I've said before I fully appreciate the work you/they do.

I wasn't expecting an solution it was something of a rhetorical question.

Why are some people allowed to have their names sullied but some aren't?

Yes, our players are slurred here and I've been guilty of that but calling a player a dud and insinuating someone is covering up murders, and are a party to acts of terrorism among other theories is a different thing.

Not many on this thread have done that so, whether you mean it or not it, comes across to me as a crack at the mods, and probably one in particular. It seems to me you're implying double standards on our behalf. I can't answer your questions sorry. Wish there was an easy solution to keep everyone happy. Believe me the mods lives would be easier, and far less stressful, if I could. However it's not really related to this thread so I'll split it and move it to the Suggestions board.

 

[tigertim]

Not many on this thread have done that so, whether you mean it or not it, comes across to me as a crack at the mods, and probably one in particular. It seems to me you're implying double standards on our behalf. I can't answer your questions sorry. Wish there was an easy solution to keep everyone happy. Believe me the mods lives would be easier, and far less stressful, if I could. However it's not really related to this thread so I'll split it and move it to the Suggestions board.

So be it. Again I wasn't having a crack at the mods I was making the observation about behaviour pertaining to this website as an example.

I guess the issue can relate to society as a whole. Why can we slag politicians, celebrities etc but not people we actually know?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I wonder what the mods here would say if I were posting offensive outlandish baseless rumours and innuendo about for eg Alex Rance?

Would I be warned not to do so and have my posts removed?

If so i wonder why it's ok to slur Bushes Jeb, George & Marvin, Rumsfeld, Silverstein, Cheney and whoever else has been slurred? They,re real people aren't they? They have rights too. They deserve respect like everyone else? Or is it ok to do when they are big bad Americans and live on the other side of the world? They're open slather?

I wonder if I slurred the Dalia Lama would it be ok? If I slurred Jim Stynes?

Just wondering, that's all.

Certainly an ethical dilemma Timbo. I have been quite disparaging of Messrs Bush and Cheney. Free speech I guess as long as it is opinion and not baseless rumour or malicious fallacy. Walking the line either way I suppose. Pretty hard to have a wide ranging discussion about 911 without traipsing on someone's reputation I reckon.

 

[tigertim]

Certainly an ethical dilemma Timbo. I have been quite disparaging of Messrs Bush and Cheney. Free speech I guess as long as it is opinion and not baseless rumour or malicious fallacy. Walking the line either way I suppose. Pretty hard to have a wide ranging discussion about 911 without traipsing on someone's reputation I reckon.

I guess that's the quandary, what happens when ones "free speech" is baseless rumour or malicious fallacy?

Like most things in life there's not a hard and fast rule.

Eg "George Bush is a drongo" is acceptable I assume but is "George Bush is responsible for the murder of 3000 people and the covering up of it" acceptable? Or is "it's my opinion that its a possibility that Knighters revenge is having an affair because I saw him with a woman who wasn't his wife". Is that acceptable?

Tricky.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I guess that's the quandary, what happens when ones "free speech" is baseless rumour or malicious fallacy?

Like most things in life there's not a hard and fast rule.

Eg "George Bush is a drongo" is acceptable I assume but is "George Bush is responsible for the murder of 3000 people and the covering up of it" acceptable? Or is "it's my opinion that its a possibility that Knighters revenge is having an affair because I saw him with a woman who wasn't his wife". Is that acceptable?

Tricky.

Depends on how itchy my wife's trigger finger is really. Let's not test that one out. :hihi In terms of the mods, I think that is more about posters calling one another out or putting the site on the line with false rumours that might bring civil actions. I've copped more than my usual share as part of this discussion and I reckon it got close to the line on one occasion. But it's just a bit of heated debate and to be fair no harm no foul is my attitude, I'd rather the exchange took place and the issues got discussed, than the mods stepped in but it killed the debate.

 

[Rosy]

.....is "George Bush is responsible for the murder of 3000 people and the covering up of it" acceptable?

Tricky.

If that's your personal take on what was posted there's not a lot the mods can do about it. I don't think it's been claimed that way has it?

We have a "Report to Moderator" function that we invite people to use. If you have issues with specific claims report use the function and mention your concerns. The mods will act in the way they think best.

There are hundreds of pages of deleted posts on the moderator board. I've removed 20-30 in the last couple of days myself. Very few have put their hands up when we've requested help to run the site in the past, and we can't be on here 24 hours a day so naturally there's a lot we mightn't notice.

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[tigertim]

If that's your personal take on what was posted there's not a lot the mods can do about it. I don't think it's been claimed that way has it?

Not in the exact words I've used but its one of their claims that Bush et al were complicit/allowed it to happen etc.

 

[bullus_hit]

Not in the exact words I've used but its one of their claims that Bush et al were complicit/allowed it to happen etc.

I think it's all a bit of light hearted banter but I get your point, accusing a president of deliberately allowing his people to perish in the name of political ambition certainly sets the cat amongst the pigeons as far as civil disobedience is concerned. On the other hand, if we draw the line at Bush or any other western leader, should we also be muted in our response towards Assad, Mugabe, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Indonesian paramilitaries in Papua, the Burmese Junta, the Lao government, the Sri Lankan government and the list goes on. Some might say that there's simply no evidence in the 9/11 case, and that maybe true, but it can also close the door on many other contentious cases where there's very little to go by, apart from a bit of heresay and witness testimonial.

I think the other issue to remember with the 9/11 thread is that everything that's been discussed has simply been a critique of the 9/11 conspiracy movement, and I think it's clear to all and sundry that most, if not all the myths, have been well and truly busted. That has to be a good thing, and given that a lot of the propaganda has been cloaked as fact, those who have made the effort to dismantle and debunk the myths have done their job admirably.