Promoting from the rookie list

[Rosy]

There have been several posts demanding one of our rookies in Moore or Dragga be promoted onto the senior list.

This can't happen for a number of reasons.

Firstly to promote a rookie we'd need a long term injury listed, which we don't have at the moment.

Some teams have a "nominated" rookie they can promote if they have a full list but no veterans, i.e. Davey from melbourne.  We have 2 veterans so that excludes us from that one.

If we get a long term injury we wouldn't necessarily promote a player unless they are likely to play seniors straight away.

From what I've read I'm led to believe that we are at the top limit of our salary cap, and once a rookie is promoted they are added to the salary cap whether they play or not.

 

[jackstar]

I can find a long term injury, DUNCAN KELLAWAY !

 

[Dean3]

For your info rosy:

How the rookie list works
10:54:49 AM Tue 24 February, 2004
Matt Burgan
afl.com.au

Each club may maintain a rookie list of up to six players or a club which is based in the Sydney and Brisbane metropolitan area may maintain a maximum of nine players on its rookie list.

- Where a club includes a player on its rookie list, it may:
- in the case of an international player, enter into a contract of service for a minimum of two seasons; or
- in the case of any other player, enter into a contract of service for a minimum of one season

Minimum Age – A player must have attained the age of 18 years or will attain the age of 18 years on or before December 31.

Maximum Age – A player must be under the age of 23 years on December 31. If a player attains the age of 23 years after this date, a club may retain him on its rookie list until the end of the season.

- If a club includes an international player on its rookie list, the player may be 24 years old for the final year of his contract of service.

- A rookie player shall not be bound to a club if he is listed on a club’s rookie list but the parties do not enter into a contract of service.

- A club may retain a maximum of three players on its rookie list for a second season provided it nominates such players at the time of the compulsory list lodgment.

- An eligible club with 38 players on its primary list that has listed fewer than two veterans is entitled to nominate up to two players from its rookie list as being available for selection during the home and away and finals series.

- All payments made by a club to a player listed on its rookie list are excluded as football payments for the purpose of calculating a club’s Total Player Payments (TPP).

- If a club includes a player on its rookie list, the clubs will relocate the player and pay or reimburse all reasonable relocation costs of the player.

- A player listed on the rookie list may compete for a club competing in the competition conducted by the relevant state body or which it is affiliated or connected.

PS. How do I do a link?

 

[evo]

Thanks for that Dean.That's interesting,I'm not suggesting we should, but if we were to delist Duncan that would mean we only had 1 Veteran......

 

[zips]

I can find a long term injury, DUNCAN KELLAWAY !

Actually, that useless waste of space, Matthew Rogers re-injured his quad on the weekend. Fair dinkum - just *smile* him off!!!

 

[Rosy]

I've read that Dean but don't see where that's relevant to us being able to elevate a rookie. I was a bit wrong where I said no veterans (it was easier than wording the combination of rookies/vets ) but it still doesn't affect us does it?
The AFL told me if you choose to have a short list you can still only promote a rookie due to long term injury....and IF you can fit the extra player under the salary cap.

To do a link click on the world globe second from the left above the wink smiley, than right click the address of the page the article is on and copy and paste it into the hyperlink tags.

 

[Rosy]

Geez jackstar and zips you're like cracked records. Dunc and Rogo are contracted so if they go on the long term injury list their salary still counts and we mightn't be able to afford a rookie anyway.

If you want to continue the debate about those players being sacked despite their contract find the appropriate thread.

This one is meant to help understand our options, or non-options as the case may be, of promoting a rookie.

 

[DragaTheCro]

Draga (or Dragga) should be elevated to the senoir list, one way or another. He's skills are good, he's hard at it, he's still young, and he's Croatian! He's being wasted at the moment.

 

[zips]

Ahhhh, come now Rosy, I understand how it all works ok, but I was heading more down the line of perhaps the club applying a little bit of "downward pressure" on Rogo to hang up the boots, as well all know he won't be getting a senior game this year - or ever again for that matter

;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Rosy]

... I understand how it all works ok,

I didn't understand at all and it's why I asked the AFL for clarification. There's not a lot of use so many of us demanding a rookie be elevated if it's impossible for us to do it at this stage.

From what I was told I think our hands are tied on this one.

 

[zips]

From what I was told I think our hands are tied on this one.

Unfortunately, some major mismanagement of player payments & contracts has put us in this unenviable position.

sheeesh

 

[Rosy]

Yep agree but hopefully all of that is a thing of the past and will gradually become a non-issue. Fingers crossed. Go Greg.

 

[zips]

I'm hoping so too. I think this is the last year of us paying for a major part of Ben Holland's salary from memory, so that will be a start. Unfortunately, 2 more years of Gas' salary will still take a huge chunk out of the pie.

 

[Harry]

Draga (or Dragga) should be elevated to the senoir list, one way or another. He's skills are good, he's hard at it, he's still young, and he's Croatian! He's being wasted at the moment.

Dagga's days are over I'm affraid. He is very slow, and has average skills at best. If RFC want to remain mediocre then by all means promote him.

 

[jackstar]

He has actually been playing good footy at Coburg. I would think if he can play a full season that he would be considered next year, we will wait and see.

 

[TigerForce]

All I want to see is the both famous number 3 and 4 guernsey numbers on our better players next year.

Wouldn't be surprised that Andrew Raines will get no.4

(Roachy might get the no.8 if Pettifer doesn't move his arse)

 

[Crumden]

From the players Collective Bargaining Agreement http://www.aflpa.com.au/index.cfm?menuid=D2ADB4DC-D4F6-9270-9194BFFFFD90C753:

14.5 An AFL Club is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player as being eligible for senior selection if it has 38 Players on its Primary List not including Veterans at the conclusion of the Pre-Season Draft and it otherwise satisfies the requirements of this clause 14.
14.6 An AFL Club which is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player pursuant to clause 14.5 may:
(a) where the AFL Club has nominated one Player on its Veterans List, nominate one Player from its Rookie List as being available for selection by that AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series
Matches; and
(b) where the AFL Club has not nominated a Player on its Veterans List, nominate up to two Players from its Rookie List as being available for selection by the AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series Matches.
14.7 The right of an AFL Club to nominate a Rookie Player under clause 14.6 is subject to the AFL Club demonstrating to the satisfaction of the Investigations Manager that it can accommodate within its Total Player Payments the Football Payments which must be paid to the Rookie Player as prescribed by paragraph 4 of Schedule B.
14.8 One half of the Football Payments in respect of a Rookie Player nominated under this clause 14 shall be excluded from the relevant AFL Club’s Total Player Payments.

 

[Crumden]

and:

12.2 (a) A Player’s name may only be added to the Long Term Injury List with the Player’s consent and with the approval of the AFL General Manager – Football Operations.
(b) An injured Player who is transferred to an AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List is ineligible to play in the AFL Competition or a State Body competition for the period:
(i) the Player’s name is on the AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List; or
(ii) of eight weeks,
whichever is greater. The period shall commence from the day on which the AFL General Manager – Football Operations gives his approval for the injured Player to transfer to the AFL Club’s Long Term Injury List.
(c) An AFL Club is unable to transfer an injured Player to or from its Long Term Injury List after round 18 of the AFL Premiership Season in each year.
12.3 For the period a Player remains on the Long Term Injury List of an AFL Club, that AFL Club may apply to the AFL General Manager – Football Operations for permission to temporarily promote a Rookie to its Primary List and subject to paragraph 4.7 of Schedule B, any payments made to the Rookie for the period that the Rookie remains on the Primary List as a replacement for a Player on the Long Term Injury List, shall be excluded from the Total Player Payments of the AFL Club.

 

[the claw]

i know its not the thread but hey its about rookies. millers been at the club 2 drafts and done absolutely nothing, about the almost non existent use of the rookie list. we really are a joke when it comes to the promotion of kids.

 

[Rosy]

I suppose Dean's and Crumbden's posts explain the following but I can't wade through all of that gobbledegook.....I knew I deferred my law course for a reason, ha.

This is my e-mail to and reply from the AFL.

Hello,

Can you please tell me if Richmond is eligible to promote a rookie to fill a space or if they need someone to go onto the long term injury list first even though they are short already?

The reply

Further to your email, Richmond would need a Primary Listed Player to be put onto the Long Term Injury (LTI) list for a Rookie to be promoted and able to play.

I hope this satisfies your query.

Regards,

AFL Investigations Assistant
Australian Football League