PICK — POINT VALUE

[Willo]

PICK — POINT VALUE

1 — 3000
2 — 2517
3 — 2234
4 — 2034
5 — 1878
6 — 1751
7 — 1644
8 — 1551
9 — 1469
10 — 1395
11 — 1329
12 — 1268
13 — 1212
14 — 1161
15 — 1112
16 — 1067
17 — 1025
18 — 985
19 — 948
20 — 912
21 — 878
22 — 845
23 — 815
24 — 785
25 — 756
26 — 729
27 — 703
28 — 677
29 — 653
30 — 629
31 — 606
32 — 584
33 — 563
34 — 542
35 — 522
36 — 502
37 — 483
38 — 465
39 — 446
40 — 429
41 — 412
42 — 395
43 — 378
44 — 362
45 — 347
46 — 331
47 — 316
48 — 302
49 — 287
50 — 273
51 — 259
52 — 246
53 — 233
54 — 220
55 — 207
56 — 194
57 — 182
58 — 170
59 — 158
60 — 146
61 — 135
62 — 123
63 — 112
64 — 101
65 — 90
66 — 80
67 — 69
68 — 59
69 — 49
70 — 39
71 — 29
72 — 19
73 — 9
Picks 74 and onwards — 0

 

[TOT70]

Looks like they have used a simple and transparent formula to come up with this.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/math-formula-11987010.jpg

Pretty sure that's the one!

They must have recruited Stephen Hawking onto the commission.

 

[Willo]

Looks like they have used a simple and transparent formula to come up with this.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/math-formula-11987010.jpg

Pretty sure that's the one!

They must have recruited Stephen Hawking onto the commission.

Just posted it for future reference Tottie. No doubt there will plenty of interest in the value of picks and points.

 

[TigerForce]

It's probably just for comparing value numerically, but who worked out this formula? There seems to be a huge difference between 1 - 4 and between the top 10, when most players would virtually have the same ability in skill. Jack Watts (and others) as number 1 proves it.

 

[Rosy]

I've missed something here. What are pick values for?

 

[zippadeee]

I've missed something here. What are pick values for?

Academy kids. They're rated from good to rubbish. And if they're rated good you need to have that Value to secure them.
The Brisbane kids are rated highly therefore Brisbane need a first rounder and a few second rounders

 

[TigerForce]

I've missed something here. What are pick values for?

An example from mrposhman on the Jake Carlisle thread:

Yep totally pathetic. If you just use the academy bidding as a guide, they were giving Pick 5 (1878 points) and wanted 23 and 25 back (1571 points) so were essentially offering the equivalent of 307 points for Carlisle or Pick 48. Ridiculous offer.
They are banking on the fact that Carlisle would rather go to St Kilda (getting more money there) and think they can use that as leverage.

Essendon will just refuse to trade with them and take picks 15 and 18 from the Hawks.

Gee the Saints are dumb. How have they stuffed this up so bad!!

The calculation leaves 307 points which compares Carlisle's value as a pick 48....which he definitely isn't.

 

[Rosy]

I still don't get it. is it a fantasy footy kind of thing?

 

[mrposhman]

I still don't get it. is it a fantasy footy kind of thing?

No. There is real time bidding occurring for academy picks.

Eg. Brisbanes academy picks Keays gets bid on by Port / Gold Coast at Pick 10. Brisbane don't have a pick until 17, so they put up 17 which is worth 1025 points but pick 10 is worth 1395 points so they are in deficit by 370 points which they have to make up with other picks.

Its an attempt to make teams who have academy / father sons picks with more realistic costs to them. For example, on the old system, Brisbane would get Keays and Hipwood with their next 2 picks after the bid, they will have to pay a lot more than that this year.

 

[Rosy]

What are academy picks? Actually doesn't matter. Too complicated for me. I'm lost for sure.

 

[mrposhman]

What are academy picks? Actually doesn't matter. Too complicated for me. I'm lost for sure.

More academy picks. If the clubs with academy kids decide they really want those kids then they can match a bid from another team but have to pay the equivalent of what the other team bid (less a 20% discount). Ie. In my example above (which I forgot to apply the 20%) is if one of their kids is bid on with pick 10, then they have to pay the equivalent of pick 10's worth less 20%.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Wonder who the mathematical genius was that fudged the points system. Thousand points differential between first n fourth, then a thousand points between fourth n seventeenth.
Since when did the first four kids in the draft walk on water compared to the rest?

 

[Willo]

Wonder who the mathematical genius was that fudged the points system. Thousand points differential between first n fourth, then a thousand points between fourth n seventeenth.
Since when did the first four kids in the draft walk on water compared to the rest?

I think it was Champion Data who came up with the formula.
I believe it's for FS picks as well as academy picks. Also gives some indication of player value in trades.

 

[YinnarTiger]

Looks like they have used a simple and transparent formula to come up with this.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/math-formula-11987010.jpg

Pretty sure that's the one!

They must have recruited Stephen Hawking onto the commission.

Nah, the formula isn't on that board.

This is the actual formula:

Points=3000 - 697 x loge(draft pick number)

Try it on your caculators boys and girls. It works.

 

[Darth Tiger]

No. There is real time bidding occurring for academy picks.

Eg. Brisbanes academy picks Keays gets bid on by Port / Gold Coast at Pick 10. Brisbane don't have a pick until 17, so they put up 17 which is worth 1025 points but pick 10 is worth 1395 points so they are in deficit by 370 points which they have to make up with other picks.

Its an attempt to make teams who have academy / father sons picks with more realistic costs to them. For example, on the old system, Brisbane would get Keays and Hipwood with their next 2 picks after the bid, they will have to pay a lot more than that this year.

in this example Lions would also get a discount (20% I think) for developing the talent in its academy.

 

[Ice]

if you search AFL father son bidding system, you can find a document that explains how the points were determined.

from memory, it is based on the historical performance of each pick (how many games, how much they got paid etc), and also cross checked against previous trading of picks

Rosy, it is used for father son and academy players.

If another club bids for a father son, the father's club must match the equivalent number of points, after a 20% allowance.

So if another club bids pick no 1 for a father son, the fathers club must find picks to match 2,400 points (3,000 less 20%). For example, pick 6 and pick 28.

 

[22nd Man]

Nah, the formula isn't on that board.

This is the actual formula:

Points=3000 - 697 x loge(draft pick number)

Try it on your caculators boys and girls. It works.

You will be awarded life membership of the Maths Teachers association YT. Just gave all those frustrated teachers a weeks worth of real life maths to inspire the reluctant pupils.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

On the points system we almost certainly lost value trading 31& pick 30-35ish (assuming we are good again next year) for pick 19

 

[Brodders17]

On the points system we almost certainly lost value trading 31& pick 30-35ish (assuming we are good again next year) for pick 19

the points system is irrelevant unless you need points.

 

[WesternTiger]

the points system is irrelevant unless you need points.

Not the point apologist!