Our Club's Overall Performance

[rexy]

Browsing richmondfc.com.au and found this page: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staff%20members/tabid/13343/default.aspx.

We focus alot on coach and players but I believe we have problems in other areas. A few questions came up for other staff members.

Luke Murray & Michael Roberts: Our last Indigenous game was a debacle with Tambling vs 4 or 5 Bomber stars. Is their any point continuing this as Richmond v Essendon or should we allow another team to take our spot?

Jeff Bond, Kim Stephens: How long has this been our Learning and Development team? I think it's generally accepted that we are the absolute worst in this area.

Francis Jackson: We are one of the worst recruiters in the history of the game. Enough said.

Matt Hornsby: This is another area where we fail. Our most elite player was nearly dropped before the Carrara game?

Terry Condon: Why did Cotchin and Conners overdo it preseason?

Brendan Farhner: You seem to be so far behind Neil Craig & The Crows. What are you doing to get to that level?

 

[achillesjones]

Paul Cameron: Are you praying hard enough for us?

 

[BrisTiger24]

Paul Cameron: Are you praying hard enough for us?

:hihi

 

[rexy]

Paul Cameron: Are you praying hard enough for us?

wish I'd thought of that

 

[Ridley]

Hornsby needs to go. He has been there for a long time (as long as Richo I think) and we continue to produce twigs on the park week after week, year after year. Our blokes just never get any bigger or stronger in compariosn to the opposition.

Hornsby is called the Elite Performance Manager. Mmmm, elite performance and Richmond is about as great an oxymoron as you'd ever see.

 

[BillyJean17]

Browsing richmondfc.com.au and found this page: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staff%20members/tabid/13343/default.aspx.

We focus alot on coach and players but I believe we have problems in other areas. A few questions came up for other staff members.

Luke Murray & Michael Roberts: Our last Indigenous game was a debacle with Tambling vs 4 or 5 Bomber stars. Is their any point continuing this as Richmond v Essendon or should we allow another team to take our spot?

Jeff Bond, Kim Stephens: How long has this been our Learning and Development team? I think it's generally accepted that we are the absolute worst in this area.

Francis Jackson: We are one of the worst recruiters in the history of the game. Enough said.

Matt Hornsby: This is another area where we fail. Our most elite player was nearly dropped before the Carrara game?

Terry Condon: Why did Cotchin and Conners overdo it preseason?

Brendan Farhner: You seem to be so far behind Neil Craig & The Crows. What are you doing to get to that level?

i reckon you're hard on FJ ohe's only been there for last 3 drafts and I reckon our performance in that area has improved consdierably...be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater

 

[Tigers of Old]

i reckon you're hard on FJ ohe's only been there for last 3 drafts and I reckon our performance in that area has improved consdierably...be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater

Agreed that recruiting overall is improving. Not so convinced list management has.

 

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Terry Condon: Why did Cotchin and Conners overdo it preseason?

Cotchin was doing extra training behind the clubs back. He admitted it himself after injury and apolisged for taking on too much of a work load despite the club telling him not to.

Can't blame the club for that. They told him to follow a stict training regime but took it on himself to do extra.

Last season I called for the club to trade Conners (not to everyone liking) The kid has no tank and is nothing but a 1 quarter wonder. Wouldn't get a sherbet for him now. List clogger

 

[The tooth]

Agreed that recruiting overall is improving. Not so convinced list management has.

A bit too early to make that call I think.

We need to trade more aggressively or intelligently (you need to trade someone decent to get a decent trade), we need to stop trying to recycle rubbish players, pick intelligently and nuture. Getting two players in last years draft (Post, Vickery) doesn't mean we've turned the corner in this respect.

 

[IanG]

A bit too early to make that call I think.

We need to trade more aggressively or intelligently (you need to trade someone decent to get a decent trade), we need to stop trying to recycle rubbish players, pick intelligently and nuture. Getting two players in last years draft (Post, Vickery) doesn't mean we've turned the corner in this respect.

Its not just last year, the recruiting from 2006 onwards has been markedly improved.

 

[Baloo]

Agreed that recruiting overall is improving. Not so convinced list management has.

I think we can only begin to gauge list management since the Miller and & Wallace show was fired, and to some extent after Wallace has left. While CC should have full say, Wallet, as the ego driven bronzed *smile* that he is would insist on, would have some input at the end of the day.

This year's delisting and drafts will be most important as it will finally show us what the new admin are thinking.

 

[Ian4]

you would hope the new coach would bring a lot of his own people in

Francis Jackson: We are one of the worst recruiters in the history of the game. Enough said.

can't agree with that. anyone who rips into FJ is a little ignorant imo.

 

[marsinvenus]

Big cleanout please!

 

[FitenFitenWin]

i reckon you're hard on FJ ohe's only been there for last 3 drafts and I reckon our performance in that area has improved consdierably...be careful not to throw out the baby with the bathwater

FJ was my school captain when I was a junior - great bloke. Mr Integrity. And I reckon he's done OK at RFC. BUT - he's best mates with one Greg Miller and I have no doubt would be influenced by Greg's opinions on players' potential - couldn't help but be. I'd keep that in mind.

 

[Ridley]

BUT - he's best mates with one Greg Miller and I have no doubt would be influenced by Greg's opinions on players' potential - couldn't help but be. I'd keep that in mind.

Exactly. No doubt FJ is better than Miller but that's not exactly setting the bar high. He's still managed to recruit *smile* kicks like Rance and Edwards with reasonably high picks. Long way to go.

 

[NZtiger]

we need to stop trying to recycle rubbish players, pick intelligently and nuture.

Agreed! Especially with the nurturing sentiment. I believe that the recruiting in the last few years has been better, largely a reflection of the club's poor on-field performance (and having higher picks), yet a vast improvement on the Fiora, Petts and JON (to name a few) none-the-less. It must be noted that recruiting has been drasticly neglected in terms of staffing/funding over the years and as this changes we will hopefully see this upward trend continue. Certainly, a more educated pick will have a greater chance of becoming a class player, but ultimately a player will not perform to his potential if not handled correctly.

Very disappointed with list management including recent contracts handed out and the number of picks utilised in last year's draft. Another poorly performing area has been the mental and physical conditioning of the players and junior development.

While conspiracy theorists may argue otherwise, the issues with physical conditioning appears to have a straight-forward solution - a change is needed. However I do have some questions regarding the psychological development for those better informed on club matters:

What is the the exact role of the 'Learning and development' department, and didn't Jeff Bond come over with huge wraps over his psychology background/prowess?

As an outsider I can't see what he's implemented, and while I have no doubt that this side of things can't be easily rectified, not much has changed on the surface. Surely they must be doing something to earn their pay, but if someone could shed some light I would really appreciate it. For example, did they have any imput to Richard Tambling's treatment earlier in the year?

Many thanks in advance

 

[rexy]

you would hope the new coach would bring a lot of his own people in

can't agree with that. anyone who rips into FJ is a little ignorant imo.

Wasn't directed at FJ directly. "We" are one of the worst recruiters so was a general comment.
Am guilty of being ignorant when it comes to staff outside of coaches & players. What's some of FJ's wins, guys like Nahas?

 

[IanG]

Exactly. No doubt FJ is better than Miller but that's not exactly setting the bar high. He's still managed to recruit sh!t kicks like Rance and Edwards with reasonably high picks. Long way to go.

Everyone here was creaming their jeans at getting Rance when we got him, as for Edwards you need to take off your blinkers there's a reason Adelaide wanted to pick him if we didn't.

 

[Ian4]

Wasn't directed at FJ directly. "We" are one of the worst recruiters so was a general comment.
Am guilty of being ignorant when it comes to staff outside of coaches & players. What's some of FJ's wins, guys like Nahas?

jack is the main one. collins was a good good get. been some negative posts on rance of late, but he was a steal at pick 18 imo. nahas was a steal. browne might have been a reasonable rookie choice as well. hopefully connors comes good too.