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Mid season Tiger stats
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Interesting set of stats.
The kick out being counted as a stat has made things a little muddled.
For instance, Houli's had 192 uncontested possessions, and we've had 126 kick outs. He hasn't taken them all, but since Shorty went down, it's most. This also impacts kicks, overall disposals, metres gained, all of which he features highly, but again I'm not sure how much.
It doesn't affect intercepts or rebound fifties, which both show that he's having a good year. Though for a rebounder he's low in the score involvements, and he's behind the other four regular defenders (Vlossy, Grimes, even Stack and Edwards) for intercepts.
Interesting that the one percents are all defenders, (Grimes/Vlossy/Garthwaite/Broad/Astbury) and Houli doesn't feature. You could argue you shouldn't be spoiling if you're intercepting and rebounding, but Grimes and Vlossy show that's not true.
It's an interesting set of stats that suggests a lot of what my eye test is telling me. He's having a solid year getting involved, and has been huge in terms of experience in a year where our captain, two vice captains and stand in captain have all spent time on the sidelines. But perhaps not as effective or damaging as some suggest.
Also, for those not fond of Higgins year, Houli has 8 top 5 features, Higgo has 7.
The kick out being counted as a stat has made things a little muddled.
For instance, Houli's had 192 uncontested possessions, and we've had 126 kick outs. He hasn't taken them all, but since Shorty went down, it's most. This also impacts kicks, overall disposals, metres gained, all of which he features highly, but again I'm not sure how much.
It doesn't affect intercepts or rebound fifties, which both show that he's having a good year. Though for a rebounder he's low in the score involvements, and he's behind the other four regular defenders (Vlossy, Grimes, even Stack and Edwards) for intercepts.
Interesting that the one percents are all defenders, (Grimes/Vlossy/Garthwaite/Broad/Astbury) and Houli doesn't feature. You could argue you shouldn't be spoiling if you're intercepting and rebounding, but Grimes and Vlossy show that's not true.
It's an interesting set of stats that suggests a lot of what my eye test is telling me. He's having a solid year getting involved, and has been huge in terms of experience in a year where our captain, two vice captains and stand in captain have all spent time on the sidelines. But perhaps not as effective or damaging as some suggest.
Also, for those not fond of Higgins year, Houli has 8 top 5 features, Higgo has 7.
Shows the old eye test of me thinking Prestia is having a smashing year despite butchering shots for goal. Dusty after a stop start few games is showing how good he is.
It would be the majority of his kicking stats if it is included.
Coburgtiger said:
It would be the majority of his kicking stats if it is included.
Coburgtiger said:
Higgo's had a down year for sure, particularly the last couple of games. Last year he would have appeared a lot higher in many of those stats. I think totals are a bit misleading too. Averages would paint a much truer picture. For example, goals per game, Higgins is only 10th but 4th for total goals.
Jason King said:
Well there were 27 in games he didn't play. In another game I tracked there were 13 kickouts and he took 8 of them. So I don't think it's the majority of his kicks but you do have to take into account that there are quite a few kicks that now go onto the stats sheet for the one who kicks out that wouldn't have last year.
Coburgtiger said:
That's incorrect. By average per game, Houli is currently leading the intercepts for the Tigers with 7.1 per game. Vlastuin and Grimes have 7.08, Stack 6.91 and Edwards 6.08. For score involvements Houli is currently 16th with 3.9, Edwards is best with 4.5, Stack 3.09, Vlastuin 2.92, Short 3.33. The mistake you are making in your comparison is looking at totals rather than averages. Of course Houli will have less than some others if he's played less games.
Coburgtiger said:
Amazing out of all those player stats provided, you choose to interpret Houli's and conclude he is not having as good a season as some suggest.
Based on similar dissection, I conclude the following.
1. Rance and Riewoldt have had ordinary years.
2. Ellis is one of the best marks in our team.
3. Rioli should be delisted
Please stick to bashing Bacher on the Houli thread. At least that way you're amongst the brethren
Dont Argue said:
OP included this as a comment on Houli and Prestia.
BTW, I'm not bashing Houli. I repeat, I've massively appreciated his year. But if you're going to take these stats as evidence he's one of our best players, I'm pointing out there are other factors that go in to looking at stats.
deedee said:
And there are things he does that others rarely do. You can be critical of any player if you want to delve deeply into their flaws and downplay what they do well. All that counts in the end is that a player is playing the role asked of them and I suspect in the whole Houli is doing just that.
The injury stat is the stat to written about. So far this season a disaster from Round 1 with Rance going amiss . With the bye this week then Saints after that our injured will return. Barring any hiccups in the future Tigers should be really primed for first week in Septmeber.
Bachar should ( barring injury ) play his 200th game a bit later this season. Considering there's only about 5% of all players to have played VFL / AFL footy for 200 or more games, he'll be joining a very exclusive club.
The comp regularly spits out players through injury, ability or professionalism it's a very unforgiving comp if you're not putting in.
Blokes like Bash n Grigga may never be classed as stars of the comp but they are very good second tier players, consistently play the role their club requires of them to a very high standard.
Been bloody good value to the Tiges for a damn long time n I'm happy to be a fan of his game.
The comp regularly spits out players through injury, ability or professionalism it's a very unforgiving comp if you're not putting in.
Blokes like Bash n Grigga may never be classed as stars of the comp but they are very good second tier players, consistently play the role their club requires of them to a very high standard.
Been bloody good value to the Tiges for a damn long time n I'm happy to be a fan of his game.
Baloo said:
Again, I wasn't focusing on Bachar any more than the OP was. It was a reply to a topic.
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