Is Kane Johnson the 38th or 39th captain of Richmond.

[rbartlett]

With the appointment of Kane Johnson today, the Richmond website has an article by Tony Greenberg , announcing he is the 38th captain of Richmond since its induction into the VFL in 1908. But is he ?

However, a quick run down a list of the honour board on my site, footystats site, and this site says differently:

1 Charlie Pannam
2. *smile* Condon
3. Ivor Lawson
4. Bill Schmidt
5. Len Incigneri
6. Ted Ohlson
7. Hugh James
8. William Thomas
9. Percy Maybury
10. Clarrie Hall
11. Dan Minogue
12. Mel Morris
13. Alan Geddes
14. Cyril Lilburne
15. Maurie Hunter
16. Percy Bentley
17. Jack Dyer
18. Bill Morris
19. Des Rowe
20. Roy Wright
21. Ron Branton
22. Neville Crowe
23. Fred Swift
24. Roger Dean
25. Royce Hart
26. Francis Bourke
27. Kevin Sheedy
28. Kevin Bartlett
29. Bruce Monteath
30. Bryan Wood
31. David Cloke
32. Barry Rowlings
33. Mark Lee
34. Dale Weightman
35 Jeff Hogg
36. Tony Free
37. Matthew Knights
38. Wayne Campbell
39. Kane Johnson

The obvious descrepancy comes in 1909, when two names , *smile* Condon, and Ivor Lawson , are commonly recognised as Richmond's captains for that year. Infact a majority of honour boards on different websites list them in the same year. If we assume that, then Kane Johnson is the 39th player to be selected captain.

For the record, in 1909, *smile* Condon resign the captaincy on June 3rd,. leaving the last 6 games to be captained by the then vice captain Ivor Lawson. So , does that mean Condon and Lawson captained Richmond in 1909, or should Lawson's captaincy for the last 6 games not officially count.

Your thoughts /
It is interesting to note I have been having difficulty accessing the Honour Board on Richmond's official site.

Cheers
Rhett Bartlett
www.rhettrospective.com

 

[pahoffm]

Hi Rhett,

Interesting point that you've brought up.

In Tigers Of Old, Paul Hogan refers to your Ivor Lawson as John Lawson. Obviously the same player but under different first names. I suppose it really depends on whether Lawson was officially "named" as captain.

Dench replaced Greig as captain of North in their premiership year of 1977 when Greig wrecked his knee mid-season. Is Dench on the honor board as shared captain of North for that year. I don't really know the answer.

May be that the real answer lies in the minutes of the club executive of that year.

 

[rbartlett]

Hi Phantom.
Tigers of Old is slightly wrong with the first name- but the player is the same.
Lawson had to have taken over the captaincy cause Condon had resigned the position (and later the coaching job that year) - my thinking would be is that if the club on their honour boards lists two captains for 1909- then that counts as two people and therefore Kane Johnson is the 39th player.

Cheers
Rhett Bartlett
www.rhettrospective.com

 

[billyb#40]

With the appointment of Kane Johnson today, the Richmond website has an article by Tony Greenberg , announcing he is the 38th captain of Richmond since its induction into the VFL in 1908. But is he ?

However, a quick run down a list of the honour board on my site, footystats site, and this site says differently:

1 Charlie Pannam
2. *smile* Condon
3. Ivor Lawson
4.  Bill Schmidt
5. Len Incigneri
6. Ted Ohlson
7. Hugh James
8. William Thomas
9. Percy Maybury
10.  Clarrie Hall
11. Dan Minogue
12. Mel Morris
13. Alan Geddes
14.  Cyril Lilburne
15. Maurie Hunter
16. Percy Bentley
17. Jack Dyer
18. Bill Morris
19. Des Rowe
20. Roy Wright
21. Ron Branton
22. Neville Crowe
23. Fred Swift
24. Roger Dean
25. Royce Hart
26. Francis Bourke
27. Kevin Sheedy
28. Kevin Bartlett
29. Bruce Monteath
30. Bryan Wood
31. David Cloke
32. Barry Rowlings
33. Mark Lee
34. Dale Weightman
35 Jeff Hogg
36. Tony Free
37. Matthew Knights
38. Wayne Campbell
39. Kane Johnson

The obvious descrepancy comes in 1909, when two names , *smile* Condon, and Ivor Lawson , are commonly recognised as Richmond's captains for that year.  Infact a majority of honour boards on different websites list them in the same year.  If we assume that, then Kane Johnson is the 39th player to be selected captain.

For the record, in 1909, *smile* Condon resign the captaincy on June 3rd,. leaving the last 6 games to be captained by the then vice captain Ivor Lawson.  So , does that mean Condon and Lawson captained Richmond in 1909, or should Lawson's captaincy for the last 6 games not officially count.

Your thoughts /
It is interesting to note I have been having difficulty accessing the Honour Board on Richmond's official site.

Cheers
Rhett Bartlett
www.rhettrospective.com

Which players captains number matches their jumper number. Depends of course on how many captains there have been - Hogg #34nearly captain #35 ??

 

[rbartlett]

Bartlett was the 28th captain- and he wore number 29.

 

[billyb#40]

Bartlett was the 28th captain- and he wore number 29.

Do you know all the captains numbers
Soon of course they will be 17, but what were they when they were captain??

 

[billyb#40]

With the appointment of Kane Johnson today, the Richmond website has an article by Tony Greenberg , announcing he is the 38th captain of Richmond since its induction into the VFL in 1908. But is he ?

However, a quick run down a list of the honour board on my site, footystats site, and this site says differently:

1 Charlie Pannam
2. *smile* Condon
3. Ivor Lawson
4.  Bill Schmidt
5. Len Incigneri
6. Ted Ohlson
7. Hugh James
8. William Thomas
9. Percy Maybury
10.  Clarrie Hall
11. Dan Minogue
12. Mel Morris
13. Alan Geddes
14.  Cyril Lilburne
15. Maurie Hunter
16. Percy Bentley
17. Jack Dyer #17
18. Bill Morris
19. Des Rowe
20. Roy Wright #12
21. Ron Branton
22. Neville Crowe #5
23. Fred Swift #15
24. Roger Dean #3
25. Royce Hart #4
26. Francis Bourke #30
27. Kevin Sheedy #10
28. Kevin Bartlett #29
29. Bruce Monteath #11
30. Bryan Wood #16
31. David Cloke #33
32. Barry Rowlings #22
33. Mark Lee #1
34. Dale Weightman #3
35 Jeff Hogg #34
36. Tony Free #30
37. Matthew Knights #33
38. Wayne Campbell #9,#17
39. Kane Johnson #17

Cheers
Rhett Bartlett
www.rhettrospective.com

 

[Roar34]

Perc Bentley #1

Roy Wright was only ever #2.

Bill Morris #5

Des Rowe #14

Ron Branton #29

 

[Boyanich]

This is all very "Stan from Stradbroke Island" sort of stuff, isn't it?

 

[Ready]

Have to say I disagree with the idea of the captain wearing number 17.

Obviously the number should be revered but by my way of thinking it should be awarded to a promising young player. Richardson, Rioli and Broderick have all worn it with distinction since.

The whole notion of the captain wearing 17 (far too similar for the Collingwood/Port Adelaide "tradition" of the captain wearing 1) is a knee-jerk reaction because someone at the club dispensed with thinking and gave it to a muppet like Paul Hudson.

 

[TrewTIGER]

Not wanting to rob or tarnish the image of a dead man: however, it should be remembered that Freddy Swift only captained the one game. Even the RFC records show him as the season captain in 1967, whereas Crowe captained all bar the penultimate match. If the Lawson/Condon thing raises a question, then what about this?

 

[feisty tige]

17. Jack Dyer # 17

How cool is that!

34. Dale Weightman # 3

51. ? ?

 

[tigertod]

Have to say I disagree with the idea of the captain wearing number 17.

Obviously the number should be revered but by my way of thinking it should be awarded to a promising young player. Richardson, Rioli and Broderick have all worn it with distinction since.

The whole notion of the captain wearing 17 (far too similar for the Collingwood/Port Adelaide "tradition" of the captain wearing 1) is a knee-jerk reaction because someone at the club dispensed with thinking and gave it to a muppet like Paul Hudson.

Have to disagree there Ready. The Collingwood thing has not been done for years if I recall correctly. ie Buckley. Brown, Shaw. And who cares about Port or Hudson.
No one else in the league has a tradition like this so why not make it a Tiger only tradition that honours the great man.

 

[billyb#40]

Can anyone help with the numbers of the tiger captains of old from Pannam to Hunter
Was Pannam the uncle of lou-the-lip

 

[rbartlett]

Not wanting to rob or tarnish the image of a dead man: however, it should be remembered that Freddy Swift only captained the one game. Even the RFC records show him as the season captain in 1967, whereas Crowe captained all bar the penultimate match. If the Lawson/Condon thing raises a question, then what about this?

I tihnk you'll find Neville Crowe captained Richmond 1963-1966 ,, the Fred Swift was appointed and captained the 1967 season (he played every game)

Cheers
Rhett Bartlett
www.rhettrospective.com