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Drafting hit and miss

yandb

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Five or six years ago when I was umpiring school games I noted a few outstanding players and checked further on their details. I then phoned Francis (you could speak to him directly in those days) and commended to him three players.
Dean Terlich, Tom Rockliff and Nathan Laracy. While Nathan didn't go any further than the local level Dean and Tom now play AFL, Tom via a rookie pick and Dean via a rookie pick and then in the last draft(pick 67). I only raise this as I noted with some interest that Tom was second leading possesion winner for Brisbane and Dean the leading possesion winner for Melbourne in the match today. Neither of these teams are setting the world on fire but both of these players would be in our best 22 if we had drafted them. I hope that as our recruitment department is better resourced these days that late gems like these will slip to us.
 
Good spot yandb. Rockliff is a gun, would love him in Y&B. Not sold on Terlich yet though, haven't seen enough.
 
Ahh the old Draft hit and misses.

Its like doing the old pros and cons list when not sure what to do withn a girlfriend or a job you dont really know whether you want to stay with.

Eventually you end up filling up one side of the paper usually the cons side.

Griffiths versus Carlisle is starting to raise its head now. :-\
 
craig said:
Ahh the old Draft hit and misses.

Its like doing the old pros and cons list when not sure what to do withn a girlfriend or a job you dont really know whether you want to stay with.

Eventually you end up filling up one side of the paper usually the cons side.

Griffiths versus Carlisle is starting to raise its head now. :-\
so is heppel v conca
 
yandb said:
Five or six years ago when I was umpiring school games I noted a few outstanding players and checked further on their details. I then phoned Francis (you could speak to him directly in those days) and commended to him three players.
Dean Terlich, Tom Rockliff and Nathan Laracy. While Nathan didn't go any further than the local level Dean and Tom now play AFL, Tom via a rookie pick and Dean via a rookie pick and then in the last draft(pick 67). I only raise this as I noted with some interest that Tom was second leading possesion winner for Brisbane and Dean the leading possesion winner for Melbourne in the match today. Neither of these teams are setting the world on fire but both of these players would be in our best 22 if we had drafted them. I hope that as our recruitment department is better resourced these days that late gems like these will slip to us.
Won't Frank take your calls anymore?
 
I rang Richmond last year and was told just email the info and they would pass it on to Frank.( I don't trust the security of emails ) I understand that Frank is a busy man and maybe too many people were wanting to talk to him.
 
The club must get bombarded with tip offs from the public at times. PRE is often mistakenly understood to be an official RFC forum and I've been sent heaps of info over the years that was intended for the club. It ranges from suggestions of players to watch/draft, weddings, funerals, milestone birthday cards, requests to train, coaching suggestions etc.
 
yandb said:
Five or six years ago when I was umpiring school games I noted a few outstanding players and checked further on their details. I then phoned Francis (you could speak to him directly in those days) and commended to him three players.
Dean Terlich, Tom Rockliff and Nathan Laracy. While Nathan didn't go any further than the local level Dean and Tom now play AFL, Tom via a rookie pick and Dean via a rookie pick and then in the last draft(pick 67). I only raise this as I noted with some interest that Tom was second leading possesion winner for Brisbane and Dean the leading possesion winner for Melbourne in the match today. Neither of these teams are setting the world on fire but both of these players would be in our best 22 if we had drafted them. I hope that as our recruitment department is better resourced these days that late gems like these will slip to us.

I can understand your frustration Y&B.

I can still remember the day you pointed out an U15yo Jack Ziebell to me, down at Port Melbourne many years ago.

I can also remember the diary that you forwarded of Dawson Simpson's TAC year that I on-forwarded to Francis & Greg. Yet for all our efforts, Dean Putt was chosen instead. Dawson is first ruck in Geelong's VFL team, and we all knew that he would be a long-term project.

We all have hit and misses.
My most notable miss is well recorded.
But we've had hits too.

I still believe that Vickery is more important to us, over Ziebell.
Dustin Martin over Morabito was only luck, unfortunate luck for Morabito, but it was in our favour.
Carlisle over Griffiths, well, I lioked Griffiths, but I did prefer Carlisle.
And, Conca v Heppell was merely preferring a good toiler over a star.

As for Terlich & Rockliff that you have mentioned.
As we both know, Terlich as an U18 was scared to go into packs and get a hard ball. One suspects that he now plays in a similar style to that of McMahon in a bp at Footscray. Though, I haven't watched him recently.
It would seem that Morris is a much better player than Terlich. Morris should have been an 18yo Rookie Draft pick by us too, but in the long-term, he came to us fortunately.
Rockliff as an U18yo was recovering from injury and was brilliant for 5 minutes of a game and "missing" for the rest of it. We did recommend him as an excellent Rookie Draft opportunity. Other clubs had the same idea, and it wasn't to be.

Recruiting is never an exact art or science. (That's what probably makes it an art over a science.)
Our current strategy appears to be a low-risk one of getting solid, reliable, well-skilled toilers, as Conca, Ellis & Vlastuin seem to be.
This is commendable, as teams need balance.

However, balance means as such, there needs to be balance of hard toilers and match-winning stars.
Toilers keep you in a game, but it's stars that win BIG games for you.
Staying in games, but losing BIG games appears to be our current scenario.
Though, 5 minutes of that U18yo Rockliff coming off interchange, would be something that our boys could really do with now.

Personally, after 3 years of 'elite' toilers, it's about time our selectors delivered to us a BIG-match star.
I have suggested that CHF and a goal-kicking rover are our two areas of greatest need.

Recriutment is one thing, development another.
Not sure where this is going.
Time will tell!
 
Spot on Phantom. We have the vanilla, we need some flavour.

Please make someone take Dayle Garlett.
 
Phantom said:
Rockliff as an U18yo was recovering from injury and was brilliant for 5 minutes of a game and "missing" for the rest of it. We did recommend him as an excellent Rookie Draft opportunity. Other clubs had the same idea, and it wasn't to be.

Though, 5 minutes of that U18yo Rockliff coming off interchange, would be something that our boys could really do with now.

Rockliff was injured at the U16 champs two and a half years before he was drafted.
He returned the next year and IIRC was the leading goalkicker from a limited run of games.
In the next year he shared the on-ball/small forward duties with Ziebell and Sidebottom, including in the GF.

bullus_hit said:
What's more baffling is Rockliff starred in the TAC grand final, usually scouts take serious notice of players who perform when it counts.
RedanTiger said:
Dunno about starred, Bullus. You had to look a bit deeper than the obvious.
Sidebottom kicked 10 goals and nobody seemed to look any further than he and Ziebell for goal-kicking midfielders. They all seemed to overlook the guy who was also in that group but had also been the competition leading goalkicker the previous year.

Just goes to show how some of the "accepted wisdom" is simply lazy follow-the-leader thinking.
The story about Tommy was that he was a goalkicker but only did it in bursts and they all ignored his midfield work cos he wasn't as pretty as the other two.

Phantom's line is the accepted reasoning of the recruiters as to why they got it wrong.
Note that Tom hasn't changed. He was an on-baller/small forward in GVFL, TAC and now AFL.
It has been posted on here that Malthouse called his recruiters on this reasoning.
Pity we don't do it at Richmond.
 
Seems we're working on those positions Phantom mentioned. We have McBean/Elton as tall forward prospects and McDonough and O'hanlon as small/medium forwards.

We definitely need some line breaking/pacy types though. Like a Jetta/Yarran/Hill player. That would be preferable!
 
taraba said:
Seems we're working on those positions Phantom mentioned. We have McBean/Elton as tall forward prospects and McDonough and O'hanlon as small/medium forwards.

We definitely need some line breaking/pacy types though. Like a Jetta/Yarran/Hill player. That would be preferable!

2 would be nice.