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In our game on Saturday night there were only 18,000 odd attendees.
Some would have been just interested onlookers and some, not many I guess, would be GWS supporters.
Therefore only some 16,000 to 17,000 would have been Tigers members/supporters.
We currently have over 100,000 members, so where were they?
Was it something to do with Marvel stadium?
In the past I have been to games there in the middle of winter and boy oh boy it is one cold place.
However, I suspect that is not the real reason.
Have not been keeping an eye on attendances at other games, so can't comment there.
Maybe the new rule changes has something to do with it.
Just don't understand what is going on here.
That of course is only about 17% of our total membership.
Any ideas?
 
In our game on Saturday night there were only 18,000 odd attendees.
Some would have been just interested onlookers and some, not many I guess, would be GWS supporters.
Therefore only some 16,000 to 17,000 would have been Tigers members/supporters.
We currently have over 100,000 members, so where were they?
Was it something to do with Marvel stadium?
In the past I have been to games there in the middle of winter and boy oh boy it is one cold place.
However, I suspect that is not the real reason.
Have not been keeping an eye on attendances at other games, so can't comment there.
Maybe the new rule changes has something to do with it.
Just don't understand what is going on here.
That of course is only about 17% of our total membership.
Any ideas?
There is already a thread on PRE tagged: "PATHETIC CROWD" where this is being debated.
 
In our game on Saturday night there were only 18,000 odd attendees.
Some would have been just interested onlookers and some, not many I guess, would be GWS supporters.
Therefore only some 16,000 to 17,000 would have been Tigers members/supporters.
We currently have over 100,000 members, so where were they?
Was it something to do with Marvel stadium?
In the past I have been to games there in the middle of winter and boy oh boy it is one cold place.
However, I suspect that is not the real reason.
Have not been keeping an eye on attendances at other games, so can't comment there.
Maybe the new rule changes has something to do with it.
Just don't understand what is going on here.
That of course is only about 17% of our total membership.
 
They mustn’t be expecting a big crowd on Sunday. The email I got regarding tickets going on sale versus Adelaide says we can get a free ticket as well as our normal ticket, 2 per membership
 

Not just COVID: Crowd drop-off on the AFL, broadcasters too​

Does AFL football have another problem? Perhaps. And yet it's one we appear to have been slow to diagnose and seemingly uncertain how to rectify.

It took a poorly-attended Richmond game at Marvel Stadium last Saturday night for the agenda-setting AFL media to start thinking about how many people were actually going to the football in 2021.

And when just a little bit of number-crunching followed, the results were pretty stark. Total crowds from rounds one to eight this season compared to the same period in 2019 (the last "normal" football year) were down by more than 737,000 people, an average of about 8000 per game.

It's important here to note the impact that COVID-19 continues to have on the competition. The early rounds in Melbourne were played before only 50 percent capacity crowds, while two games in Perth (including a Derby) have been "lockouts".

Nonetheless, that is still a considerable drop-off. And it doesn't appear to be simply a case of more people who did go now watching on TV, either.

While AFL audiences have increased by 15 percent on pay TV and streaming service Kayo compared to 2019, free-to-air TV numbers in metropolitan markets are down around five per cent on figures from two years ago.

Is it possible more hardcore AFL fans are choosing to watch from home instead of going, while at the same time fewer casual supporters of the code are either turning up in person or watching games on the Seven network? That should have both the AFL and Seven a little concerned.

But the solutions may not be so easy to come by. Because I suspect there's a convergence of factors at play. And while some of them are fixable, others are a bigger issue that won't be solved merely by some "value added" for fans to actually go to games, or even to turn on their TV sets.

Ticketing this year, thanks to COVID, has been something of a nightmare, and clearly has taken some toll. Reduced capacities, more logistically complicated admission practices and social distancing you suspect made going to games for some people more trouble than it was worth. Particularly when in Melbourne, until last weekend, they were unable to sit in the reserved seats they usually occupied, and in some cases, had to pay more to sit elsewhere.

And while this one might be harder to judge for a while yet, I believe last year's three-month layoff due to the pandemic has had some lingering impact.

I reckon I'm far from the only person who, as much as I love the game, found the absence of football on the weekends a lot easier to cope with than I feared.

For the first time in 50-odd years on a weekend between late March and June, I did other things. Spent time with family. Read more. Watched some movies and TV shows I'd wanted to catch up on for ages. Even, heaven forbid, took in the odd bit of art and culture.

What I understood more when the game returned was that while I had actually missed the football itself, I hadn't missed a lot of the increasingly large circuses which surround it, the saturation media coverage, the clickbait and the endless puffing of chests and stroking of egos in the former player cartel which now is the face of much of that coverage.

There's a level of self-indulgence about it all (take a lot of TV commentary now, for example) which is a real turn-off for a lot us who really do love the game a lot more than the celebrities jostling for airtime and who sometimes seem to make the actual game itself seem secondary.

Not to mention the media outlets facilitating that trend in the I think misguided belief the football public is hanging on their every word, many of those words regurgitated faithfully in the several other outlets for whom they work.

How in touch are they with what the average football fan thinks and wants? You do wonder.

Like when Fox Footy's "On The Couch" talks about redrafting the schedule so no games cross over (for TV viewing purposes), then in the next breath wonders why crowds might be down. Umm ... because you're actively enticing people to stay home and watch on TV, perhaps?

Or when Eddie McGuire pronounces matter-of-factly that "Saturday afternoon football is dead". The reasons? Apparently, because people now prefer to watch school sport or play golf on a Saturday, and watch the games on TV.

Ed, not everyone's kids go to a private school with organised weekend sport, nor are they all members of a golf club where you can get on the course of a weekend. Nor, for that matter, do they all even play golf.

And pay TV? Well, Kayo has made Fox Footy's coverage more accessible and affordable, but the take-up rate of pay TV in this country has always hovered around just 30 percent, much lower than other countries. Which makes that free-to-air drop more significant.

Funnily enough, McGuire's hypothesis, which could well be a self-fulfilling prophecy if the AFL continues to schedule the showpiece games away from afternoon timeslots, wasn't exactly supported by the evidence last Saturday, when more than 31,000 people turned up to the SCG for Sydney's clash with Collingwood, but just 18,798 to watch reigning premier Richmond play under the roof at Marvel Stadium later that night.

Is there a growing AFL "bubble" in which the privileged operate seemingly more and more oblivious to the wants and needs of the rank-and-file football fan? I think examples like those are pretty telling evidence there is.

So various members of the AFL "boys club" and celebrity commentators paying lip service to greater engagement with the game's supporter base doesn't count for a lot if they don't have much of an idea what that base is thinking.

Frankly, I reckon the people are pissed off. Not by the game itself, the aesthetic quality of which has improved this year. But by the ever-present suspicion that to those who run the game or who broadcast the game -- who often come across as a little mutual back-slapping society -- the viewers are just the riff-raff who will lap up what they are offered, along with a dollop of condescension, no questions asked.

But here's a news flash, guys. They are asking questions. They're not necessarily going to abandon the game as a result. But their loyalties and devotion can no longer be taken for granted. Let alone, as those worrying crowd figures indicate, their patronage.
 
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The "more" they try and supposedly "improve" the product the more they dis associate the public.

Umpiring / rule changes are easy examples.
 
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Not just COVID: Crowd drop-off on the AFL, broadcasters too​

I had to click to see who in the media had the guts to tell it like it is. No surprise to find it was Rocco. he doesn't have an affiliation with any big media org and is pushing his independent Footyology which makes it in his interest tell it like it is.
 
People have just become lazy and unsociable post Covid. Alot of people are working from home, ordering uber eats and just not going out on weekends. It's become a habit and a way of life for alot of people.
 
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People have become lazy and unsociable post Covid. Alot of people are working from home, ordering uber eats and just not going out on weekends. It's become a habit and a way of life for alot of people as it's just much easier.
 
The "more" they try and supposedly "improve" the product the more they dis associate the public.

Umpiring / rule changes are easy examples.
Don’t they know that every year there are *smile* games, every year there are some good games, and every year there a few brilliant games.
No matter what they do to try to manufacture this view they have that High Scores = Good, there will always be teams that are *smile*
 
People have become lazy and unsociable post Covid. Alot of people are working from home, ordering uber eats and just not going out on weekends. It's become a habit and a way of life for alot of people as it's just much easier.
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People have become lazy and unsociable post Covid. Alot of people are working from home, ordering uber eats and just not going out on weekends. It's become a habit and a way of life for alot of people as it's just much easier.
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