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AirBnB

tigersnake

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Had a quick look for a thread but couldn't find one.

The issues around the emerging internet 'disruptive' industries and technologies is interesting and complex. Was going to start and AirBnB AND Uber thread but they are different beasts. I use Uber all the time, hate cabs even more now. While I'm a bit uncomfortable with Uber profits heading offshore, I personally believe the Cab industry has dug its own grave by being a closed shop with highly questionable political links and business practices. Uber is the roost up the arse that had to happen. They will adjust and improve and start to compete IMO.

AirBnB is a bit different. Spent a week last week doing a road tour of western Vic with my partner. Spent a few days with the folks in Ballarat before heading off, Grampians, Warnambool, Apollo Bay, Melbourne. It was great. Stayed in one AirBnB in Apollo Bay. Got there in the evening 5pm, started scoping a place to stay. Asked at a motel, very small but clean room no view for $120, checked a couple of other options, . Went to the pub for a drink and my partner got on AirBnB, she found a pretty big self contained unit with a view, and a giant spa, and 2 free beers in the fridge!, for $110. Obviously we went the latter.

Got me thinking though, the couple running the hotel seemed really nice, (as were the airBnB people), they would pay more regulatory fees that would go to the state, (ie us), rather than a US company. 2 or 3 years ago we wouldn't have considered or been able to AirBnB, the motel couple would have got our $$. In some cases I think AirBnB will force the adjustment of falsely inflated prices, (like Uber and Taxis), but sometimes not. Small business people would have purchased a motel in good faith pre-AirBnB and would be impacted, not that there is anything new there, that's capitalism and market fluidity. I know a couple of people with houses close to town, Bris and Melb, who have stuck a kitchenette in, and are renting a studio, they are suddenly $15-30K pa better off, that will impact lifestyles and property prices. Like any rapid change, its complex.

I think things will adjust and work out over time, accommodation will be less government regulated and more self-regulated and market driven, everything will be on AirBnB or similar sites. But in the short term, its highly disruptive to people's lives, both good and bad.
 
I reckon that's just the way things go. Plenty of people have invested in businesses that have been usurped by the uprising of new technologies. It's not just the motel/hotel industry. I remember the Video Ezy I worked at was bought out by a franchisee in 2009. The shop became a shoe store within 3 years, and is now, ironically, an antiques dealer.

There's been a few articles floating around recently about jobs/industries more or less likely to be replaced by robots.

http://www.iflscience.com/find-out-if-your-job-risk-artificial-intelligence

Interestingly, that one suggests hotel managers are among the safest, but that's only in regards to artificial intelligence. Communication technologies like AirBNB just add to those possibilities.

I travelled across Italy earlier this year, and alternated between Hotel and AirBNB depending on the city. I have to say, in an unknown city, it's a lot easier to manage in a hotel, with a concierge, than in an AirBNB. If Hotels really focus on providing a service, it will serve as a point of distinction between the cheaper alternative.
 
Looked at AirBnB last year for a weekend away - the website was recommended by a work colleague - found a good couple of options through the website but before I booked one I did a quick check on the internet and found I could get both places at much less (ie went direct and another search engine didn't charge the booking fee) so I have yet to use AirBnB.

We have travelled a lot using accommodation search engines and have had a pretty good run generally - the aim is to shop around I guess
 
Used Airbnb exclusively throughout the French trip 2 years ago.

Taking the girl up to the Gold Coast in March next year and went to use Airbnb but it was cheaper booking a regular hi rise hotel.

On this example it feels like Airbnb proprietors are already starting to price themselves out of the market.
 
tigertim said:
Used Airbnb exclusively throughout the French trip 2 years ago.

Taking the girl up to the Gold Coast in March next year and went to use Airbnb but it was cheaper booking a regular hi rise hotel.

On this example it feels like Airbnb proprietors are already starting to price themselves out of the market.

there is a bit of that I reckon. It used to be much cheaper, now its just cheaper.
 
I own a number of B&B's in Hepburn Springs so I'm qualified to speak from the owners perspective.

Airbnb is just another booking agent - no more - no less.
They take up to 15% of the booking fee, with others such as Expedia and booking.com taking a per cent more.

In many cases property owners will do a better rate if you book direct.

The best way of getting a cheap rate is on lastminute.com By mid week I will regularly advertise cheaper prices if I have spare rooms.

2c.
 
Poppa, do you knw anything about tripadvisor?
Do they change the owners to have their premises listed on the site?
 
poppa x said:
I own a number of B&B's in Hepburn Springs so I'm qualified to speak from the owners perspective.

Airbnb is just another booking agent - no more - no less.
They take up to 15% of the booking fee, with others such as Expedia and booking.com taking a per cent more.

In many cases property owners will do a better rate if you book direct.

The best way of getting a cheap rate is on lastminute.com By mid week I will regularly advertise cheaper prices if I have spare rooms.

2c.

Interesting pop, thanks. So you don't reckon airBnB has flooded the accom market?
 
Michael said:
Poppa, do you knw anything about tripadvisor?
Do they change the owners to have their premises listed on the site?

TA rely on guests putting reviews on the TA site.
They have recently began accepting ads from accom owners.

But please don't get me started on the TA ethics.
It's common knowledge that competitors post dud reviews to try and gain an advantage. Owners find it almost impossible to have fraudulentl reviews taken down and they can be very damaging).

When people use TA to work out if an accom or restaurant etc. is any good - they should ignore reviews that are at odds with the majority view (good or bad).
 
poppa x said:
TA rely on guests putting reviews on the TA site.
They have recently began accepting ads from accom owners.

But please don't get me started on the TA ethics.
It's common knowledge that competitors post dud reviews to try and gain an advantage. Owners find it almost impossible to have fraudulentl reviews taken down and they can be very damaging).

When people use TA to work out if an accom or restaurant etc. is any good - they should ignore reviews that are at odds with the majority view (good or bad).

Yeah...

These shills tend to be pretty obvious, but buyers should definitely read a range of reviews before deciding on a particular choice.
 
On another issue.

When WOTIF were trading I'd be charged 10% of the booking as their fee. And they'd add 10% GST and send it to the Government.
Then WOTIF were taken over by Expedia and two things happened.
First the rate was increased to 15% which means they make more than I do out of a booking.
And second, being an English business there is no GST on their Invoice - so the Government gets nought.

Seems to me that this is another GST loophole that should be closed.
 
poppa x said:
TA rely on guests putting reviews on the TA site.
They have recently began accepting ads from accom owners.

But please don't get me started on the TA ethics.
It's common knowledge that competitors post dud reviews to try and gain an advantage. Owners find it almost impossible to have fraudulentl reviews taken down and they can be very damaging).

When people use TA to work out if an accom or restaurant etc. is any good - they should ignore reviews that are at odds with the majority view (good or bad).

Thanks Poppa. So TA doesn't charge to have your accommodation reviewed.
ON TA the other side of the coin is annoying, best restaurant I've ever been to......staff were fantastic.... Rooms were soooo comfy. Either I have different standards but some reviewers are way over the top.

Recentlty we did a walk up in near Alice. Read one review, they said the walk was very strenuous and they were a fit family, took them over 3 hours. After an hour and a bit, we got to the end and thought we must have missed a section. We are definitely not your outdoorsy types.
 
Some TA reviews are farcical.
I had one who gave us one star.
It turns out we were to blame for her leaving her IPhone charger behind.
And it was our fault we couldn't deliver it to her before her phone died (Hepburn Springs to Sydney).
Sheeesh.

And then there's the guests who steal things.
Ok so coffee and tea satchels I can live with. Maybe even the odd pillow.
But we've had these things nicked in the past 12 months...
Electric Blanket
Every battery from all 7 remotes
The Gas Bottle at the communal BBQ.
Music player remote control
An emergency radio - with good batteries and tuned to 774 for Bush Fire Information.
and the list goes on.

Finally, I won't even tell you about the considerable damage sustained from AFL players.
I'm sure if you use the search function you'll find it.

I've long thought that accomodation owners should have our own site where we rate the guests and name and shame them LOL.