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A Preseason Preview 2006- Part 5 of 16 - Richmond

Dyer'ere

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Sep 21, 2004
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This is an interesting list. It has a combination of experience and youth with the problem shared by all the teams below it. Richmond has a poor midfield.

The captain, Kane Johnson, has paid the price for years of heavy inside work and cannot lift his leg to kick. His kicks constantly fall short. At 19yo he was a star and a crock. He's got better at Richmond but his body is older than it should be. He is clearly the best midfielder at the club.

What's the list look like?

Joel Bowden
Patrick Bowden
Nathan G Brown
Travis Casserley
Mark Chaffey
Mark Coughlan
Brett Deledio
Nathan Foley
Darren Gaspar (vet)
Ray Hall
Brent Hartigan
Cleve Hughes
Chris Hyde
Daniel Jackson
Kane Johnson
Andrew Kellaway
Trent Knobel
Andrew Krakouer
Dean Limbach
Luke McGuane
Danny Meyer
Kelvin Moore
Chris Newman
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
Adam Pattison
Kayne Pettifer
Dean Polo
Andrew Raines
Matthew Richardson (vet)
Thomas Roach
David Rodan
Jay Schulz
Troy Simmonds
Greg Stafford
Richard Tambling
Will Thursfield
Greg Tivendale
Shane Tuck
Matthew White

Rookies
Angus Graham
Cameron Howat
Jeremy Humm


Still on the midfield, Mark Coughlan had injury concerns in 2005, again. His kicking was nowhere near as penetrating as in previous years (a sure sign of groin or back problems) and his running was not up to scratch, even though it had improved. He was often caught on his haunches while his opponent was free inside fifty. I have it on good authority that he had ankle injuries which have since been attended to. So an improvement in his running is likely. But MC is far too predictable when he gathers the ball. He takes it high on his chest, absorbs the tackle and pivots looking for a short handball. He's got to diversify his game. His tagging, when he could run was good.

Shane Tuck was one of the biggest improvers of 2005. His assault on the packs was as vigourous as it was consistent. But he did not use the ball with precision. His recipe was simple- hit the pack, bomb the ball. This recipe will be the key to his downfall unless he can change it. I believe he will.

This is where we strike trouble. Not only does Richmond have an average (at best) trio of strike midfielders, it's next tier is terrible.

Mark Chaffey surprised me in his first year in a midfield role, albeit strictly defensive. He was usually able to shut down his opponent even though he won virtually no clearances himself. He is another who can't lift his leg to kick. He's got nuts but his run is average and his use, poor. He was rested in the late stages of 05. Maybe he can keep improving. Ordinary #4 mid ATM

Chris Hyde was injured for most of 05. He is far too frail to play the inside roles demanded of him. He makes a poor balance with the others.

Greg Tivendale could once kick the ball 55m at will. Those days are long gone and (like Coughlan) he struggles for some time after a 50m kick now. He spent most of 2005 in defensive roles in a HBF/run-with role.

Five of Richmond's midfielders are stricken with injury and none is a star. They all lack finishing skills and most can't lift their legs to kick. It's not going to get better overnight.

Premiership Side:

FB- Vacancy, D.Gaspar, A.Kellway
HB- Vacancy, Vacancy, J.Bowden
C- S.Tuck, K.Johnson, M.Coughlan
HF- B.Deledio, Vacancy, Vacancy
FF- N.G.Brown, M.Richardson, Vacancy
R- Vacancy, Vacancy, Vacancy
Int: T.Simmonds, K.Pettifer, C.Newman, Vacancy

So, who's coming through to fill the empty slots?

Jay Schulz will continue his AFL apprenticeship at CHB. I believe he'll do well in this slot until he matures.

Brent Hartigan, if he can get his body right will bloom as a running HBF.

If these two can cement premiership slots, Richmond's backline looks complete for 2006 and the following season.

The three best mids at Richmond, Johnson, Coughlan and Tuck are not good enough for premiership slots ATM. Central to a side that finished twelfth, these blokes had the benefit of some of the best rucking in Australia. With poor results. So where is the improvement to come from.

Surprise! Brett Deledio gave the Tiges some much needed polish and run when he was winning in the midfield. If he can keep improving so will Richmond.

Chris Newman won as many centre clearances as Bobby Skilton in 2006. He used the ball with aplomb but he didn't win it. If he can just get some leather it will help the Tigers no end. He played tight for most games but in a few he was exposed defensively. He can get that right this season.

David Rodan is almost universally regarded as a loser. Having never played a senior game as an adult, his coaching panel has been his champion. He is a very different type to the other RFC midfielders and whatever he lacks in smarts, he can make up for in style.

The other huge problem area for Richmond has been its forward line.

P.Bowden may not be useless but he's not a forward. No help.

Richard Tambling has added some mass and he has glamour, something few other players from Punt Road offer. He could be a big comer this year. He'll play forward.

Pathettifer has been a fine decoy CHF (he relies on his marking outside the arc). His defensive work is well below the mark and his loose ball winning is poor. If he can improve these two areas he could be a very useful small forward. But ATM he lacks grunt and versatility. If he doesn't improve he'll be swatted by tall HBF's.

N.G.rown is unknown. Those leg breaks take a year plus to get over (as Darryl Cullinan). He's pivotal to the weak Richmond forward line. We'll know in May.

Richo is still the primo forward at Richmond. Much of his work hurts us- poor recovery, U turns, slow hands but he's a dominant marking forward and they are GOLD.

Rodan can give us some zip and goal smarts up forward if he comes up 90%. And Krakouer is still a better nett result than Petttifer. He'll do for now although he doesn't blend well with his slow team-mates.

Jackson, Polo, Meyer, Pattison and Limbach may yet find themselves in the mix in 2006. And Thursfield will play ones, you'd reckon.

Middle eight.
 
Interesting read Dyer'ere,time will tell, speed looks covered but there are a lot of new young bodies to be built up, fair comment about the midfield, Simmo IMO will become a better player & fill the no 1 ruck spot, by the end of '06 I would imagine the side will be significantly different to that of rd 22 '05. A lot of players will have to step up this year.. I still firmly believe we need a couple of mongrels [good f'ballers & tough], hopefully Kingy can mould a couple of surprise packets or grab them in '06 draft, *smile* as you said hopefully will be one to cement a spot ,& along with Polo, Raines, Hartigan, Roach can start becoming more coinsistent.
'Go Tiges' :emblem :thumbsup
 
Dyer'ere said:
And Krakouer is still a better nett result than Petttifer. He'll do for now although he doesn't blend well with his slow team-mates.
:rofl That's good Jack. If the Snail is the quickest we've got geez we're in trouble(oh but he's a good tackler) :p.

Fairly pessimistic report, not that I disagree with alot said. You rightly give the '05 midfield a baggin'. Not many brave enough here to do so. As has been well versed on PRE, plenty relying on Sarge's progression this year. Thursfield's improvement will also be extremely important IMO.

Congrats on your efforts. Good to see these teams from an alternative perspective :clap.
 
Interestingly the stats back up your statement re Johnson as our best mid:

Position Player Games ave Disp/game possessions per error Possessions/firsts 1% ers

C Kane Johnson 18 22.9 10.4 6 3.3

He is a very good ball getter & user and is no slouch in the other categories

Perhaps a little hard on the top 3 in the midfield IMO Jack.

RFC were no. 1 in the league in contested posessions. This is on the back of Tuck, Cogs and Johnson. But we were way down the ladder on clearances. This is probably due to our second tier who receive the ball and attempt to use it.
 
Sorry I'm a bit tardy.
I was almost through completing my Tiger preview when my computer clicked into a restart.
Hadn't saved it, it was completely gone.

I haven't had the will to go back to start it again.

I will restart this week.
 
I reckon Stafford, when fit, is our best ruckman, mo. I hope the scuttlebutt about him being in great nick ATM is right (plenty of hype at this time of year).

With Stafford right (a truly high class ruck), we've got a great mix of rucks in terms of class, style and age:

Stafford- Inside, marking, no running, class skills, outstanding talent, aggressive, sociopath
Simmonds- Outside (cruiserweight), below average mark, class running, average skills, passive
Knobel- Inside, awful mark, excellent defensive running, poor kick/average handball, excellent set play tap, aggressive
From limited obs and reports:
[Pattison]- Inside (cruiserweight), marking, running, poor to average skills, rugged (not aggressive)
Graham- Outside, some running, average skills, have heard he's aggressive but I've never seen it. I do know, as do you, mo, that he's the ruckman we wanted next after Bailey.

Nice blend- 19- 31yo, three heavy, two cruiserweight, two running, one defensive running. But only one with class ATM. (NB I have excluded Ray Hall, a run-with option from calculations as there is seldom a suitable matchup. He pinch-hits.)

With a class ruck at the top our division looks good. But the exercise has been hypothetical so far. Stafford is probably GONE. He has struggled increasingly with injury each year and his fitness, after the hip was never the same.

That leaves us with only Simmonds and Knobel to carry the rucks. Not a good enough pair for a premiership side IMO. Although each is good for the #2 role ATM. The good thing about this pair is that unlike our midfielders, each is a nice foil for the other. They are very different. Between them, they can do everything required. I know they can't mark but that's a luxury in a ruckman.

This pair started most of our attacks from clearance in 2005. Each carried injuries (Simmonds improving, Knobel declining).

They are not far off the mark and we have at least one ticket in the lottery to find new and better (Graham). (I have, for some years, believed that you should rookie a ruckman pretty much every year.)

Again, theoretically, Grant Thomas may demonstrate in 2006 that you don't need any ruckmen to win a premiership. Had StKilda fielded Simmonds and Knobel in 2005 would that have been enough to get them through? Has he already proven that you don't need much? Probably.

Some more notes on Knobel-

  • His skill set is lopsided.
    He can't kick.
    He can't hold a football and think at the same time.
    He can't hold a football.
    He is a fine user of the ball by palm or fist. (Now, when are we going to start getting him to flip the ball on in marking contests?)
    He has excellent speed off the mark and he can and will hunt down opposition runners. (His teammates are too important to do this.)
    He is able and willing to crash opposition rucks in the air.
    He is determined and never drops his head. He will improve as the game goes on.
    He will do as asked. Professional. No ego problems onfield. Matthews, Grant, Wallace his AFL coaches so far.
    He seldom makes it to the winter races. (ie He's fit and can go to the football.)
 
mk33 said:
How Bomber Blitz have previewed us

http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23318

Not a bad preview, for opposition supporters. Certainly a respectable view from most of their posts, summed up my thoughts for this season in a lot of our positions.
 
Thanks Jack. Agree that unfortunately Stafford looks to be gone. If he could give us one more yr then I think we will make the 8. Otherwise ?? Knoble as you point out can't mark and can't kick.Thats a big couple of holes in his game.I also subscribe to the 1 ruck rookie a yr theory alth I'd have happily taken Mckinnan also, if he had been available.
 
Yep i concur that the Bombernblitz reviews were quite measured and complementary, in fact i reckon more Bomber fans rate our list better than many on PRE me included. :hihi
But we know the truth here bout the RFC list. :hihi :hihi :hihi
 
Tigers of Old said:
Hey Jack & Phantom may I ask when are you going to post the rest of your detailed analysis? I enjoy them immensely. :)

Should have it done today. It's been a heck of a last month.
 
So here goes another attempt at previewing the Tigers. This time I'll progressively save while typing.
Apart from the recruits things have been pretty quiet at Tigerland. No new coaches, Wallace, Royal, King & Wheadon are still there. Hopefully Alessio is too.

Greg Stafford 203 105 31
Matthew Rich'son 196 105 31 vet
Andrew Kellaway 190 90 30
Darren Gaspar 193 90 29 vet
Kane Johnson 186 85 28
Nathan G Brown 183 80 28
Mark Chaffey 180 78 28
Troy Simmonds 196 99 27
Joel Bowden 188 91 27
Greg Tivendale 186 84 26
Trent Knobel 202 102 25
Ray Hall      196 97 25
Patrick Bowden 191 91 24 new
Shane Tuck 188 89 24
Kayne Pettifer 184 84 24
Mark Coughlan 187 84 23
Chris Hyde 184 81 23
Chris Newman 183 84 23
Jeremy Humm 182 81 23 Rookies
Andrew Krakouer 174 74 23
Kelvin Moore 190 86 22
David Rodan 171 82 22
Cameron Howat 181 75 21 Rookies
Adam Pattison 198 90 20
Jay Schulz 193 92 20
Thomas Roach 184 78 20
Andrew Raines 182 79 20
Brent Hartigan 181 75 20
Nathan Foley 177 78 20
Cleve Hughes 192 84 19 new
Dean Limbach 192 74 19
Luke McGuane 191 76 19
Will Thursfield 190 76 19
Daniel Jackson 188 90 19
Travis Casserley 187 76 19 new
Dean Polo 187 78 19
Danny Meyer 183 70 19
Richard Tambling 181 74 19
Angus Graham 200 91 18 Rookies
Brett Deledio 188 81 18
Jar' Oakley-Nicholls 188 75 18 new
Matthew White 178 74 18 new

The Tiger is the first list that I've previewed this year that doesn't have 44 players. It has 42, including 2 vets, 5 newies and 3 rookies.
Of the newies, White just might be the closest to playing senior footy and could end up with a handful of games by season's end.
Hughes is probably next on the treadmill and might be ready for a couple of games at season's end. Casserly & Oakley-Nicholls still need another 10kg on their bodies before being considered.
Hughes probably needs another 10kgs too, but like Thursfield, could get onto the ground at a passable 85-90kgs.
Patrick Bowden & Humm are experienced newies. Although the club may not admit it, it will be relying heavily on Patrick being able to take a responsible role in the forward line as a key target. In my mind, if Humm becomes a regular senior player, it will be a bonus. The others are likely to be doing full season apprenticeships at Coburg.
Little wonder Richo & Gaspar are on the vets list. These 2 may not be the oldest, but having half THEIR salaries off the cap makes for BIG room.
20 of 42 (48%) players on the list are 21yo or younger. Of this, 13 of the 42 (31%) will still be teenagers for the best part of the 2006 season. It's a big proportion and will continue to affect the club until these boys become men.

Now let's see how their list breaks up into a spread.
Twilight = 28+yo
Prime = 25-27yo
Development = 22-24yo
Junior = 18-21yo

<180 Small Runners
Twilight: 0
Prime: 0
Development: Krakouer 23, Rodan 22
Junior: Foley 20, White 18

180-184 Smaller Mediums
Twilight: Brown 28, Chaffey 28
Prime: 0
Development: Pettifer 24, Hyde 23, Newman 23, Humm 23
Junior: Howat 21, Roach 20, Raines 20, Hartigan 20, Meyer 19, Tambling 19

185-189 Taller Mediums
Twilight: Johnson 28
Prime: J.Bowden 27, Tivendale 26
Development: Tuck 24, Coughlan 23
Junior: Jackson 19, Casserly 19, Polo 19, Deledio 18, Oakley-Nicholls 18

190-194 Mobile Key Position
Twilight: Kellaway 30, Gaspar 29
Prime: 0
Development: P.Bowden 24, Moore 22
Junior: Schulz 20, Hughes 19, Limbach 19, McGuane 19, Thursfield 19

195-199 Key Position/ Ruck
Twilight: Richardson 31
Prime: Simmonds 27, Hall 25
Development: 0
Junior: Pattison 20

200+ Ruck
Twilight: Stafford 31
Prime: Knobel 25
Development: 0
Junior: Graham 18

The lack of prime runners and prime mobile kpps will affect the Tigers in 2006. We will be relying again on players who are either not quite up to it or not quite ready to fill the void.
Again, Patrick Bowden will be heavily relied upon as a key forward, and the pressure will be on Moore because he is older than his peers.

Their coverage of positions is as follows:
B: Hartigan 20 Gaspar 29 Kellaway 30
White 18 Thursfield 19 Moore 22


HB: J.Bowden 27 Hall 25 Newman 23
Jackson 19 Schulz 20 Humm 23
Casserly 19 McGuane 19 Oakley-Nicholls 18

C: Deledio 18 Coughlan 23 Hyde 23
Tivendale 26 Johnson 28 Raines 20
Polo 19                          Roach 20

HF: Pettifer 24 P.Bowden 24 Brown 28
Meyer 19                     Tambling 19


F: Stafford 31 Richardson 31 Krakouer 23
Pattison 20 Hughes 19
                Limbach 19

R: Simmonds 27 Tuck 24 Foley 20
Knobel 25 Chaffey 28 Rodan 22
Graham 18 Howat 21

So, as you can see, the Tiges are still some way off. They will continue to rely heavily on experienced players and hoping like hell that the younger brigade come up earlier than expected.
It's a tough early draw this year, so the Tigers can't count on gaining a run of early victories. More effort is going to have to be spent by the coaching staff in rotating players to ensure that the players remain fresher in the back half of the season when the draw is better. This will be a challenge.
For me, this year may not go as well for the Tiges as last year. May lose a one or two more games. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
Tigers still in the devloping stage with an emphasis on speed. Problem areas are CHF and CHB.

Richo is still the only key forward we have and we need him to kick 60 goals. CHF is a raffle or 2nd fwd spot is a raffle between Moore, Pattinson, Schulz, Hall, Limbach and Hughes. Hughes may get some ground time but is young, same with Limbach. Patto I think is a better ruckman, I prefer Schulz up fwd but has been trialled down back. Maybe Ray needs to find a position and play at CHF. We have 3 ruckman that can in a pocket and Bowden can play as 4th fwd but is more likely to be 3rd or 2nd. Ground fwds is not too bad in Rodan, Pettifer, Brwon and Krakouer and there is a chance they can kick 7-8 a week between and all bar Pettifer rotate in midfield at various stages.

Midfield is getting better but disposal and ground speed is a worry, Johnson, Tuck and Coughlan are good first choice midfielder support from wing and flankers will come from Delidio, Tivendale, J.Bowden, Hyde , Tambling and possibly Polo. Raines, Chaffey and Newman if in midfield will probably perform negagting roles.

CHB is a problem with Schulz trialled there. Hall can play there as a back up. Gaspar and Kellaway have been great players but are now 30 and need help, maybe McGuane might get a chance. Thursfield is good enough to play 3rd tall depending on match up. Newman and Joel Bowden will provide drive but need help from raines, Roach, Jackson or Hartigan

Big year for us, we may sneak into 8 but unlikely, we may move forward by winning less games or it could go horribly wrong. We can only hope not

Player to watch
Jay Schulz - The time has arrived and faith put in him to be main CHB
Andrew Raines in the squad 16 times last year, had a big pre season, hopefully it pays off
Richard Tambling should see why he was pick no 4.

Need to lift
Ray Hall - needs to find a position may be offered a key forward
Kelvin Moore, see Hall and is very light
Greg Tivendale - needs to get back to kicking 50m on the run and putting in the fwd 50