A consensus player rating system - preliminary discussion

[Dyer'ere]

Champion data rates players by role and then qualitatively (largely quantitatively).

The roles seem to be something like -
Starting mid
Change mid
Tall forward
Small forward
Tall back
Small back
Ruck
Some other ruck dud

Ratings within roles -
Below average - lowest 33% grade of player
Average - middle 33% grade
Above average - top 33%
Elite - top 10% of player (falls within top 33% range.)

I'm putting this out there so we can loosely agree on some ratings and maybe get our own ratings system going. Not too far from Champion at first is my thinking.

We're brainstorming over time. Your contribution is welcome.

Get shwifty or spoony and...

 

[Dyer'ere]

To get some controversy underway and eventually some clarity I'd like to put up Jacob Van Rooyen.

What is he? #1 forward? By no means. #2? How do his numbers look there? What numbers are we using? Is he #3 forward? Is he a ruck? No more than Shaun Grigg. Do his his ruck numbers make him special?

Who is Jacob Van Rooyen? How do we measure that? Can he improve? Measures? Is he getting worse? Measures.

I want JVR to be good at something but the numbers are steady and below average but for the spread. And then still below average.

Short. Game, but can't jump. Invested but not insightful. Are there numbers to that effect? Hey, maybe I'm misreading him.

Can we get a better one this draft? It may not be good for talls but I don't think JVR is much of a tall. We can do better. A battling J Whitlock is super mobile and can get space and then out the back. He can get air.

How do we rate JVR? We should ask Jason Taylor. He may know by now where he went wrong.

 

[Sintiger]

To get some controversy underway and eventually some clarity I'd like to put up Jacob Van Rooyen.

What is he? #1 forward? By no means. #2? How do his numbers look there? What numbers are we using? Is he #3 forward? Is he a ruck? No more than Shaun Grigg. Do his his ruck numbers make him special?

Who is Jacob Van Rooyen? How do we measure that? Can he improve? Measures? Is he getting worse? Measures.

I want JVR to be good at something but the numbers are steady and below average but for the spread. And then still below average.

Short. Game, but can't jump. Invested but not insightful. Are there numbers to that effect? Hey, maybe I'm misreading him.

Can we get a better one this draft? It may not be good for talls but I don't think JVR is much of a tall. We can do better. A battling J Whitlock is super mobile and can get space and then out the back. He can get air.

How do we rate JVR? We should ask Jason Taylor. He may know by now where he went wrong.

On Vandenhoogenband the ratings probably have it about right.
He is a decent KPF but not in the class of the really good ones. He is a decent back up ruck, but not an exceptional one.
He is the type of player who can be very valuable but only if he is teamed up with a top level KPF. Then he won’t get the best defender and he won’t be the main focus.
We need one like him but only as one of two imo. He is a 2nd banana and if we recruit one like him we still need to replace Lynch imo.
Big tick for him is that he kicks really well for goal, gold for a KPF.

 

[TigerFurious]

Harsh judgement re: JVR.

Third year key forward averaging 1.4gpg in a dysfunctional Melbourne forward line. I’d be rapt if we had a young key forward with that kind of output.

Also, are you aware that JVR was taken two picks after Tom Brown in the 2021 draft? Pretty sure, it’s against site rules not to mention this fact every time a discussion on JVR or Tom Brown occurs in a thread

 

[Sintiger]

Harsh judgement re: JVR.

Third year key forward averaging 1.4gpg in a dysfunctional Melbourne forward line. I’d be rapt if we had a young key forward with that kind of output.

Also, are you aware that JVR was taken two picks after Tom Brown in the 2021 draft? Pretty sure, it’s against site rules not to mention this fact every time a discussion on JVR or Tom Brown occurs in a thread

IMO he is a good player TF but not an exceptional one.

The potential exceptional KPFs are JUH and Cadman. I don't put JVR in that category but I may be wrong, to me Cadman and JUH are more mobile and better on the ground that JVR, more rounded footballers. To me they could be Jeremy Cameron class moving forward.

I tend to not engage in where players are picked because there is nothing I can do about it. Tom Brown is a Richmond player and JVR is not.

 

[Brodders17]

Also, are you aware that JVR was taken two picks after Tom Brown in the 2021 draft?

Are you sure? I thought he was drafted the pick after Richard Tambling?

 

[TigerFurious]

IMO he is a good player TF but not an exceptional one.

The potential exceptional KPFs are JUH and Cadman. I don't put JVR in that category but I may be wrong, to me Cadman and JUH are more mobile and better on the ground that JVR, more rounded footballers. To me they could be Jeremy Cameron class moving forward.

I tend to not engage in where players are picked because there is nothing I can do about it. Tom Brown is a Richmond player and JVR is not.

Sometimes good enough is… well… good enough.

Agree JVR isn’t on the same trajectory has JUH or Cadman but he is on track to become a 2gpg key forward and that’s pretty good for a player taken pick 19 in the 2021 draft, two picks after Tom Brown

 

[Sintiger]

Sometimes good enough is… well… good enough.

Agree JVR isn’t on the same trajectory has JUH or Cadman but he is on track to become a 2gpg key forward and that’s pretty good for a player taken pick 19 in the 2021 draft, two picks after Tom Brown

I think we broadly agree and that's about what he is, a 40-45 goal key forward and back up ruck. Nothing wrong with that.

He is a good player and I would be happy to get one like him but I would then still think we need someone else to truly replace someone like Lynch. Who is the player who is a potential Coleman medallist we can get ? Is Armstrong that guy because plenty on here don't think so?

Just to argue against myself sometimes you can get true KPF gems at lower picks but they are rare, Treacy could be one, Larkey is close. Teams can be very good with a couple of JVRs as long as they have high quality small and medium goal kicking forwards around them.